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vikka said:
There was zero evidence left at the scene, because paramedics tried to save Jill's life and destroyed any hint that was left. Same for Barry George's coat, the lack of traces is because they got ahold of the coat over a year later, during which time any traces disintegrate so to speak.
The particle in the coat's pocket is pretty damning evidence, but was at the retrial deemed inadmissible (due to a suggestion only!) and that's what led to the "not guilty" verdict, which isn't an "innocent" verdict at all. Just means that the presented evidence and narrative aren't conclusive for a "guilty" verdict at the time. Juries can also be fickle.

They had the right guy, the crime and criminal's profile fit the crime to a T (loner, misogynist, sexually violent towards women, stalker, focussed on female celebrities; broke into KP grounds apparently trying to abduct/rape Diana) and he was let go.

Nick Ross's article is a fantastic read and it doesn't need to be read in its entirety to understand why and how it was BG. No one can say it aloud though, as it's against the law and BG has sued left, right and centre. Was him though, no doubt about it.

Criminologists have from the start made clear it was a "loner stalker type", from day one, Nick Ross made it from day one clear as well (at the time he did 15 years of Crimewatch and has a psych degree). The "criminal underground" "connections" were all followed and all lead to nothing, as there was nothing to be found.

At the end the criminal is exactly who it so often is for women: Women are usually killed by men, who have known them, "crimes of passion" as they are called at times. BG was also around Jill's house earlier that day, suggesting he was regularly walking by/ stalking the house. It didn't need info from outside that Jill would be there, when BG lived up the street and spent his days stalking women and walking aimlessly around. In the first month about four calls came in pointing towards BG. But because he used a number of aliases it wasn't instantly clear that the same man was meant. His ex-wife said he is capable of murder, she fled back home to Japan after a year of marriage. BG assaulted and stalked women and was convicted and known to police.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can doubt it was anyone but BG, esp after the linked article above.

Netflix didn't do a good docu, they didn't ask a number of relevant questions and as one review put it very well: they basically do a wiki page in video; no conclusion, no questions, nothing. Not entirely pointless, but not that well done, either.

Mansfield will rot in hell though, can't believe that someone can defend a criminal with such a straight face and point towards "evidence" that simply doesn't make sense and has quickly been checked and dismissed.
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He didn’t do it. Simple as.
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SwishSwing said:
I completely agree. He was a weird fish in my opinion. Got really bad vibes from how he spoke about her and the situation.
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Nick Ross wrote an article about the murder and he refers to Jill’s Agent as a woman? So who is this make in the Netflix documentary?
 
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Phew, irresponsible Netflix strikes again pushing agendas of innocence and guilt. Why the duck are they bringing Barry on for airtime when -- even if he didn't commit the murder -- he is a sex offender, a menace to women, and should not be getting rewarded for his notoriety. What was that weird "if I did it" demonstration during his interview? Netflix is trash.

Someone else already said it, but that informant guy should also not have been brought on. Scum and sleaze, this is what you pay 8.99+ a month for.

Whether or not BG did it, there just wasn't enough evidence to charge him. It was the Russell case all over again (which coincidentally I watched on NowTV a few days ago) with juries making an emotional decision. But I don't think the professional hit theory is that farfetched.

PiefaceG said:
Am I missing something or did the doc say Jill's agent was the only person who definitely knew she'd be at the house at that time... and he wrote book about the death of a client... and we just moved on and didn't mention him again as a suspect? His demeanor in episode 1 is really strange. He has an air of duper's delight about him. He's straight up giddy talking about her murder. He says "well if I did do it I'd have to have hired someone". What a weird thing to say?
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This is what I am left with and I hate him for laughing at his own comments - he's dodgy. He and the fiancé knew where she would be at what time -- why were they not made people of interest?
 
hehehe said:
This is what I am left with and I hate him for laughing at his own comments - he's dodgy. He and the fiancé knew where she would be at what time -- why were they not made people of interest?
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It's a shame they didn't look at the agent's call records to see if he'd been making arrangements with anyone dodgy. I don't know if you've seen the Netflix doc about the journalist killed on a submarine, but the agent's remarks made me think of that killer's comments in interviews.

That being said, I did find the Ross report (thank you to the poster who shared the link) points very compelling.
 
Firstly, we can’t ignore that the BBC were possibly aware of Saville crimes for the majority of this time there. No one spoke up or attempted too.
So if it is indeed the case that Jill Dando had plans to put this, then they would stop her and silence her. And still today people would deny knowledge.
I agree with the lawyer of Barry, in a case like this the evidence is usually there in plain sight. I fully believe that Barry did not have the capacity to commit an assassination type murder. Also I don’t think the perpetrator acted alone. It was planned. I think he ex knows more than he’s letting on.

Let’s face the honest truth, more will come out about the operation yew tree scandal. There is still information we do not know as the public. And that’s the issue. Other people, high up are connected to the case and savilles ring.

An intelligent person would understand how media spin works, and how others are used to take away the attention from others. What if Barry was just a distraction. Things were planted. Lone recluse desperate for fame, sort after by the elite as a scape goat? For me that fits. The fact he used Gary Glitters surname at one point gave me goosebumps.

I’m a firm believer things like this are in plain sight.
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Barry George only job recorded was a messenger at the BBC.
 
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I watched and enjoyed, but didn't think it particularly revolutionary or providing any new insight.

For me the big issue is she wasn't living there at the time and only people close to her knew she would be there again that time. So either her ex, her fiance or her manager hired a hitman as they only knew her routine and evidence shows she wasn't followed.

Or it was Barry George who just happened to get 'lucky'. There were so many issues with him
 
I’ve just watched it.
I hadn’t known before about BG’s previous offences and now that I do I can’t dredge up any sympathy for him, even if he was wrongly convicted.
I’m torn between thinking it was him but there wasn’t enough evidence, and thinking that it must have been one of the few people/the only person who knew she was going back to her house that day, and why she was going there.
 
I didn’t think it was a particularly good documentary, tbh I think I learned more from the Nick Ross article (thanks poster).
I feel that the police were so insipid in recalling the details of the investigation that they wouldn’t have convinced me of anything.
II did learn about Barry George’s previous offences which I didn’t know before. He should have been in jail on those alone, not fobbed off as a ‘wierdo’. He was a danger to women before Jill Dando was killed.
I agree her agent was a strange one. I was surprised she worked with him.
The criminal who was interviewed, who would believe anything he’d say. He was looking for his 15 minutes.
 
I always thought her boyfriend seemed a bit "off" I don't know just something about him
When they showed the e fit of the person running away my husband said that looks just like her boyfriend, the eye shape particularly

I still don't understand why the police didn't get the cctv from the bus right away as the sweaty person at the bus stop was their only lead Seems like a massive over sight on their part
 
Finished watching this the other day and have a few thoughts about it:
- I don’t think BG was responsible. I don’t think he has the mental capacity to plan and carry out the murder. He wouldn’t have been able to stand and wait for hours on the off chance that Jill would have been coming home that day.
- Also where would he have got access to a gun and possibly a silencer? No one heard a gunshot in the street that day.
- the evidence linking to the murder was weak. He would have been covered in gunshot residue and if his house is anything to go by, I don’t think he was big on personal hygiene.
- His previous convictions are horrific but Jill was not sexually assaulted. Her murder didn’t appear to have a sexual angle to it. She was executed in cold blood, there was no frenzied attack or anything of that nature.
- I am more inclined to think it was targeted hit because of the cold, calculated nature of the murder. She was shot in the back of the head. I don’t know who or why. But I think it was an organised hit carried out by a professional due to the way in which she was murdered and the fact that no one was caught.

that’s my few thoughts. Thought the documentary was interesting but didn’t really provide anything new.
 
Rosie glow said:
I always thought her boyfriend seemed a bit "off" I don't know just something about him
When they showed the e fit of the person running away my husband said that looks just like her boyfriend, the eye shape particularly

I still don't understand why the police didn't get the cctv from the bus right away as the sweaty person at the bus stop was their only lead Seems like a massive over sight on their part
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Her boyfriend (fiancé) had an alibi as he was at work at the hospital at the time seeing patients.
 
Could anyone make head or tail of why Jill paid that large sum to her ex boss/partner?
I couldn’t really make sense of the explanation he gave as to whether it was a loan or a gift, or why he needed it, when he went in to say that he had a very healthy bank balance.
Not saying I suspect him, but that part of the story didn’t make sense to me.
 
mee43 said:
Could anyone make head or tail of why Jill paid that large sum to her ex boss/partner?
I couldn’t really make sense of the explanation he gave as to whether it was a loan or a gift, or why he needed it, when he went in to say that he had a very healthy bank balance.
Not saying I suspect him, but that part of the story didn’t make sense to me.
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Yes I found it a bit odd and that it was her fiancé who told the Police about it so it seemed she gifted him it after they split up not while they were living together? Maybe she felt she owed him it as she had lived with him?. I wonder if he paid it back to her estate?!
 
mee43 said:
Could anyone make head or tail of why Jill paid that large sum to her ex boss/partner?
I couldn’t really make sense of the explanation he gave as to whether it was a loan or a gift, or why he needed it, when he went in to say that he had a very healthy bank balance.
Not saying I suspect him, but that part of the story didn’t make sense to me.
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I don’t think that is was a large sum of money in that circle. I assumed she felt some obligation to him, given he had advanced her career giving her prime time news to host. They were also lovers, and I assumed friends after.

The silencer on the gun points away from BG IMO. I have no idea what happened to her.
 
Was it definitely a silencer that was used? Or was it that the gun was pressed so tightly to her head that it effectively became a silencer? I know nothing about guns but can a replica be fitted with a silencer?
 
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