Jack Monroe #597 Ghoul, Interrupted

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Yeah she doesn’t want you to actually do it, comrade. How’s that going to make her any money?
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And for your information it’s the WDH Calculator thankyou very much.
 
American ninny here who has had horrendous experiences with our healthcare system over the past couple of weeks thanks to a non-emergency situation that I was literally forced into hospital for. I started to type it all gently, painstakingly out, and then I thought God, how boring, plus it's utterly irrelevant to any discussion of the NHS. But I will say this: I have a top-tier insurance plan through my work (I work for a UK company, so we have decent options) but it is still godawfully expensive. The company pays a portion of our insurance premium and the rest comes out of our paycheck each month. We choose our plans--some are less costly than others, but they're all fairly pricey. Then you use your insurance per their rules or you end up paying even more (if you go to an out-of-network provider, say, or you choose a plan with a high deductible). Prescriptions are routinely denied by insurance companies in order to force you to use whatever formulary they are using on any given day. So I have some of the best insurance you can get in the States, and it STILL sucks balls. Last weekend I ended up walking out of an emergency room with my (completely unnecessary) IV port still in. And now I owe them $500 I don't have.

Soz, that was still fairly boring. But analyzing US prices to argue in favor of the NHS would be so stupid and pointless. No other country is this fucked up when it comes to healthcare, and the prices here have no basis in reality. Not even to illustrate a point.
 
I love to see the BS squigs being warned of Jack BS BS!

As much as the NHS has let me down, I don’t begrudge anyone using it. In the past I did pay tax on earnings and it’s right that the tax pays for a health service free at the point of use.

Anyway, whoever said it’s “just print more money” again is right, her utter lack of knowledge, intelligence, life experience and curiosity is chronic. I hope Coops pisses on her bed and Laurie shits on her sofa.
 
Assuming her “local parade of shops” is The Broadway in Thorpe Bay (I couldn’t find mention of another parade in the area). Let’s take a little trip down there shall we, and see for ourselves this diverse mix of national cuisines which would put Croydon to shame?
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The Broadway Cafe
Eatalia (Italian)
Red Lantern (Chinese)
Cafe Masala (Indian)
Home Made Bakery
Costa Coffee
Since Kitchen and Bar
Masoom (Indian)
Broadway Fruits

So including traditional British, that’s four cuisines. Unless she means you can get Loyd Grossman sauces and El Paso taco kits at the Tesco Express, thus expanding the range available exponentially.

What a lying bleep.
 
BeardyBap said:
Because as soon as she typed it she realised it was genius. Don’t think I’ve ever seen someone be quite so pleased with themselves in real time before.
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In fact, maybe she came up with the title first. That would like her. Welcome to the WDH Calculator, fam.
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that's it jack, buy up the land you good little comrade. She's beyond parody.
 
Ms Biscuit said:
American ninny here who has had horrendous experiences with our healthcare system over the past couple of weeks thanks to a non-emergency situation that I was literally forced into hospital for. I started to type it all gently, painstakingly out, and then I thought God, how boring, plus it's utterly irrelevant to any discussion of the NHS. But I will say this: I have a top-tier insurance plan through my work (I work for a UK company, so we have decent options) but it is still godawfully expensive. The company pays a portion of our insurance premium and the rest comes out of our paycheck each month. We choose our plans--some are less costly than others, but they're all fairly pricey. Then you use your insurance per their rules or you end up paying even more (if you go to an out-of-network provider, say, or you choose a plan with a high deductible). Prescriptions are routinely denied by insurance companies in order to force you to use whatever formulary they are using on any given day. So I have some of the best insurance you can get in the States, and it STILL sucks balls. Last weekend I ended up walking out of an emergency room with my (completely unnecessary) IV port still in. And now I owe them $500 I don't have.

Soz, that was still fairly boring. But analyzing US prices to argue in favor of the NHS would be so stupid and pointless. No other country is this fucked up when it comes to healthcare, and the prices here have no basis in reality. Not even to illustrate a point.
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Even if it were done by somebody who knew what they were doing and had access to all the commercially and personally sensitive information, you know what the problem is with Data? It can be used (and willfully misinterpreted, misrepresented or misunderstood) by anybody who has access to it.


It could easily be used as an argument for compulsory health insurance instead of an NHS, because they could argue 'well, the true cost is the money that would have been received had this been through insurance' - much like people argue that social housing is subsidised by the State and not that it covers its costs plus extra and always has done (the private sector levels are governed by the profit motive), so it should be made as expensive as private accommodation.

It could be presented as 'This immigrant family should have paid THIS much, but they were only charged this paltry sum, they're bleeding the NHS - and you via your tax burden - dry'.

'Single Mums have treatment via the NHS that would have cost £959395725878528. Why are we wasting money on them? Shouldn't they have to work to pay some of it back?'

'This woman came in from Africa and then had triplets prematurely FOR FREE - why aren't we holding the children as collateral until she pays the full bill she would have done had she gone to America?'

'Here's the amounts the so-called Disabled cost - the NHS has lost £4599098080809 as a result of their bad backs, dodgy mentals and depression. Plus, they take up NHS money in getting them to diagnose new conditions to keep them on benefits. Bet they wouldn't if they had to pay for appointments and diagnoses at the going rate'.

'This Government is subsidising the not working to the tune of £28579579800, they're spending all the money on the undeserving. Surely we should cut the needless expense and allow people to access treatment through insurance?'


Just like her original USP of showing people didn't need decent benefits because she could feed her, kid, body builders, manual workers and about 300 of her closest imaginary friends on 89p, data on the cost of things provided by the NHS compared to what they would cost in the US would provide the Farages and their US healthcare finance company masters with exactly what they needed to argue for a US system here. And fuel anti-immigrant, anti-not white, anti-poor, anti-vulnerable sentiment.



Somebody who actually knew something about Data would know this.
 
glubby said:
She’s talking utter shite here as usual. If any of her ‘friends’ were in a position to emigrate to the US for a decade they’d have had health insurance either through work or through the spouse/family they stayed with (and they would 100% need one of the above to sponsor their visa). Not to defend the US healthcare system because it’s indefensible, and we are very lucky to have an NHS, but it’s not what she’s describing at all. I was lucky enough not to suffer anything life threatening while living in the US but i found myself going to the doctor for routine visits and minor illnesses/injuries far more often than I ever have in the UK, because it was easier to get an appointment on demand even if it meant paying a fee, and I never had to try and argue my case with the doctor to have anything taken seriously. Whereas in the UK I find we tend to weigh up the pros and cons of fighting with reception to get an appointment and then second guess whether it’s actually worth taking up their time and if we’ll just be sent away and told we’re making it up etc… Again, not trying to defend the US system at all because if you don’t have insurance you are going to have a very bad time, but my point is none of her imaginary friends would’ve had to deal with that and they certainly didn’t come home traumatised and disheveled from a lack of treatment with a lifelong fear of going to the doctor!
Tl;dr: in a shocking turn of events, Jack’s lying again
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right???? it's like it's never occurred to her that many of us already do lots of 'weighing up' before going to the GP. I know it makes me anxious. Plenty of people over here with access to 'free' healthcare still neglect their health needs for one reason or another, and end up in the sorry state she's made up (I'm thinking more about men like my grandad who was always being nagged by my nan to go to the doctors when he was unwell but still refused, rather than those with high care needs unable to access the care they need for whatever reason). Tbh people like my grandparents are shamed plenty enough already, I don't see how lecturing them even more about how much they're costing the taxpayer, or how much worse it could be (seriously what is the point she's making here??) is going to help. Just because she goes to A&E for a splinter, doesn't mean we all do, head.
 
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Spent 4 years in Texas with Husband who was seconded for work.
The package was good and the cover for health also good.
Thank duck.
The pinnacle was pneumonia. I got very poorly and so Husnad called for ambulance.

I remeber the paramedic confidently diagnosing me as having had a stroke!
It was actually extreme dehydration and a temp of 40/104 and probably a Britsh accent as I raved in and out of consciousness.

It was all cleared up when docs got at me but for the parts of the trip I remembered, I was concerned about recovering from a stroke with an 8 year old kid and in a foreign country.

If we'd needed that ambulance and A&E trip with no insurance, the cost would have been 9,000. Xrays, IV fluid and antibiotics. No hospitalstay. The ambulance was £3,000 and there was no treatment given in this very expensive taxi. Maybe a pat on the head.
The made up stroke diagnosis was free.
 
MrsFawlty said:
Each NHS trust has a Private Patients department which deals with producing bills for private patients using NHS facilities in agreement with the private provider and overseas non-UK residents for non-emergency treatment. I don't want to get into a debate about health tourism or the ethics of charging people for care from overseas but if for example you have an accident and get taken to A&E, your life-saving treatment there is not charged but the recuperation on a ward and rehabilitation will be. Bills can and do run into thousands. If people have travel insurance when visiting the UK then it will be covered.

It would be interesting to see how the PPI departments calculate hospital stays. I left acute healthcare about 7 years ago and for example the cost of occupying an acute bed (i.e. on a stroke ward) was estimated then to be c. £2,000 per day. This area is already well-researched by actual experts, nobody cares what a washed-up ex food writer claims about it.
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I bloody love it when she hits on so many, ahem, niche areas of expertise within the canal. If she really was a nerd and enjoyed learning she'd love it here. We haven't even touched on the issue of 'bed blockers' yet!
 
LizzieE. said:
Spent 4 years in Texas with Husband who was seconded for work.
The package was good and the cover for health also good.
Thank duck.
The pinnacle was pneumonia. I got very poorly and so Husnad called for ambulance.

I remeber the paramedic confidently diagnosing me as having had a stroke!
It was actually extreme dehydration and a temp of 40/104 and probably a Britsh accent as I raved in and out of consciousness.

It was all cleared up when docs got at me but for the parts of the trip I remembered, I was concerned about recovering from a stroke with an 8 year old kid and in a foreign country.

If we'd needed that ambulance and A&E trip with no insurance, the cost would have been 9,000. Xrays, IV fluid and antibiotics. No hospitalstay. The ambulance was £3,000 and there was no treatment given in this very expensive taxi. Maybe a pat on the head.
The made up stroke diagnosis was free.
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I remeber the paramedic confidently diagnosing me as having had a stroke!
It was actually extreme dehydration and a temp of 40/104 and probably a Britsh accent as I raved in and out of consciousness.

This is interesting.

The year before lockdown Mr Mice collapsed head first onto a pub table after we'd finished our lunch when we were on holiday. At first I honestly thought he was dead - then a pulse indicated he wasn't, and an ambulance was called - a stroke.

Except, like you, when they rushed him to hospital (thank you lovely NHS ❤ ) it was extreme dehydration. You are the only other person I've ever encountered that this has happened to.

It is also the one and only time I can recall Mr Mice leaving half of his pint . . .
 
TheMiceInTheShed said:
I remeber the paramedic confidently diagnosing me as having had a stroke!
It was actually extreme dehydration and a temp of 40/104 and probably a Britsh accent as I raved in and out of consciousness.

This is interesting.

The year before lockdown Mr Mice collapsed head first onto a pub table after we'd finished our lunch when we were on holiday. At first I honestly thought he was dead - then a pulse indicated he wasn't, and an ambulance was called - a stroke.

Except, like you, when they rushed him to hospital (thank you lovely NHS ❤ ) it was extreme dehydration. You are the only other person I've ever encountered that this has happened to.

It is also the one and only time I can recall Mr Mice leaving half of his pint . . .
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I mean your body is doing all sorts. My tongue was really swollen so I was slurring and ny eyes weren't going in the right direction. I'd fitted too.
Stay hydrated kids.
It's also how I found out that Gatorade isn't just a Hillbilly mixer for your moonshine. It's got electrolytes in it. Guzzled the stuff for months after to stop that ever happening again.
Shame about that pint all the same Micey Family.
 
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