Jack Monroe #562 It's a calculator Helen, it's not cocaine

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because there was duck all wrong with her.
i've mithered over this before. jack named her AA sponsor and her ex partner as contacts, probably without their permission. I think she done this because the only other people who could go down would be her parents or SB's dad, both of whom know she's full of tit and would say as much to someone phoning to say how worried they were about her.

I think the whole thing was orchestrated because:
1) She wanted LJC back and LJC said no, and so the 'we're very worried about Jack' call was to worry LJC at a time when she'd already moved on
2) AA sponsor probably has her card marked and Jack knows it, but wants to still play the addict hand. IMO, she added them deliberately so that someone else was contacting the sponsor with a 'we're very worried about Jack' call, reinforcing the point she's hammering into the sponsor that she's not a liar, and she is very vulnerable.

I don't think i've explained this well at all. TLDR: she planned the whole thing to get attention from the sponsor, LJC, and to add a bit of excitement to the story and the day in general.
I have never heard of any journo asking a potential interviewee in advance for contacts of their next of kin or emergency contact? I doubt that happened.

I think Shatty & co couldn't rouse Jack when the driver arrived to collect her and they started phoning around. Because LJC is probably easy to each on a weekend thru mutual journo contacts or cos Shatty has her number himself, they called her. Interview was on a Saturday so Agent Adrian's office was closed but perhaps they had his mobile and called him too. Either LJC or Adrian gave Shatty the AA sponsor's number because, by that point, they were genuinely worried and neither of them was in Southend. The AA sponsor presumably is local to |Jack and could be mobilised to do a door knock if needed.

As to how much Jack engineered and pre-planned this chaos, I'm still unsure but fraus' arguments on this are compelling.

OT: Tim Dowling, Shatty and Adrian Chiles are a triumvirate of bores with no new ideas and a totally complacent approach to their cushy jobs. It is my personal bugbear that they just go on and on and that one of them is married to the Guardian Editor in Chief. There's so many cool, bright journos out there being retrenched or scrabbling around the freelance pools and I wish someone would clear out the dead wood at the Graun and reinvigorate them.
 
That's BACK at the Mail, it's where she started.
O/T Journalistic ethics - I
have the utmost contempt for Tanya Gold as when she first worked for the Daily Mail she went undercover to a Climate Camp, cosied up to one of the young Shaws on the basis of shared experience of Jewish youth groups and then used these conversations in her hit piece in the Mail. Pure scum, and those articles were presumably part of her portfolio when she went to The Guardian.[/SPOILER

Ugh, I didn't even know that and thought she was crappy before but that's definitely the tit cherry on a crap sundae. Vile.
 
That's BACK at the Mail, it's where she started.
O/T Journalistic ethics - I
have the utmost contempt for Tanya Gold as when she first worked for the Daily Mail she went undercover to a Climate Camp, cosied up to one of the young Shaws on the basis of shared experience of Jewish youth groups and then used these conversations in her hit piece in the Mail. Pure scum, and those articles were presumably part of her portfolio when she went to The Guardian.[/SPOILER
Hey @jordishaw, don't know if you listen to The Archers? They just had a dramatic incident this week involving a local journo doing the dirty and being upbraided by Natasha in a very satisfying rant. The Archers is driving me dilly at the mo because it's so dull but that scene was delicious.
 
Hey @jordishaw, don't know if you listen to The Archers? They just had a dramatic incident this week involving a local journo doing the dirty and being upbraided by Natasha in a very satisfying rant. The Archers is driving me dilly at the mo because it's so dull but that scene was delicious.
Listening to the Archers whilst in the bath is my idea of absolute heaven. I look forward to catching up on the journo episode. And I agree it is dull at the mo. I miss Nigel
 
Also, it's noteworthy that Rosamund Urwin is up for an award at the Press Awards too, same as Shattenstone. She's one of the journos who interviewed Jack more than once in the early days and was totally blinded by the plucky pov schtick. She visited her at home and met her child and blew a lot of very gullible smoke up Jack's arse. Now she's news ed at the Sunday Times.


Another point -- the Press Awards are really one of those closed shop industry things where people all know each other and get together to slap each other on the backs at a nice do. A bit like the racket that Big Lin runs for the LGBTQ crowd. Nominees are submitted by their employers and it costs a fair whack to submit a nomination. So only the big news organisations do it. That's why there's no feisty young start-ups or hyper local news organisations in the running -- they can't afford to pay the fees to nominate their people.

So, I wouldn't give too much credit to whoever wins at this shindig.
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Really OT, but I love Tim Dowling's columns. First thing I look for.

I'll give you the other two, though.
Fair enough.

For the record, I loathe India Knight too. And Sali thingy with the cosmetics and beauty. And Caitlin fuckin' Moran.
 
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I have never heard of any journo asking a potential interviewee in advance for contacts of their next of kin or emergency contact? I doubt that happened.

I think Shatty & co couldn't rouse Jack when the driver arrived to collect her and they started phoning around. Because LJC is probably easy to each on a weekend thru mutual journo contacts or cos Shatty has her number himself, they called her. Interview was on a Saturday so Agent Adrian's office was closed but perhaps they had his mobile and called him too. Either LJC or Adrian gave Shatty the AA sponsor's number because, by that point, they were genuinely worried and neither of them was in Southend. The AA sponsor presumably is local to |Jack and could be mobilised to do a door knock if needed.

As to how much Jack engineered and pre-planned this chaos, I'm still unsure but fraus' arguments on this are compelling.

OT: Tim Dowling, Shatty and Adrian Chiles are a triumvirate of bores with no new ideas and a totally complacent approach to their cushy jobs. It is my personal bugbear that they just go on and on and that one of them is married to the Guardian Editor in Chief. There's so many cool, bright journos out there being retrenched or scrabbling around the freelance pools and I wish someone would clear out the dead wood at the Graun and reinvigorate them.

I can believe she intentionally ignored the knock for whatever reason but I don’t think there is any way she could have predicted them calling LJC and her AA sponsor.

It could have gone a lot of different ways from the point where she didn’t answer the door or calls. Step one was likely always going to be calling Agent Adrian but from there it could have gone any number of ways from the Guardian giving up and calling the whole thing off when he couldn’t rouse her to the police being called to do a welfare check on her.

I imagine she was pleased with the chain she got, but I’m not sure she orchestrated it that specifically and I highly doubt she gave the guardian emergency contacts.

Similarly I really doubt she went to the restaurant beforehand to make sure she’d be thanked for all the good she does.
 
Am I an hole for admitting that I could give a rats arse for any of the reasons behind the whys and what fors on Shatties article?. It gave me a good laugh and was something to mither over and it ultimately aided towards her being the DEAD CAT on twitter. I don’t feel any sorrow or concern for her cos she’s a lying thieving bleep and she has a problematic way of ‘looking after’ her animals.
That is all.
 
Listening to the Archers whilst in the bath is my idea of absolute heaven. I look forward to catching up on the journo episode. And I agree it is dull at the mo. I miss Nigel
OT: I remember Radio 4 did a great segment, maybe on More or Less? Anyway, they calculated by science how long it would've taken Nigel to fall off that roof. And then compared the length of the scream he gave out as he plummeted to his doom. And decided that the actor had wildly overplayed the scene and that his scream was more likely to have come from someone falling off a skyscraper.

One of the best bits of radio lore ever, in my view.

It's the stuff like that keeping me attached to Radio 4.
 
OT: I remember Radio 4 did a great segment, maybe on More or Less? Anyway, they calculated by science how long it would've taken Nigel to fall off that roof. And then compared the length of the scream he gave out as he plummeted to his doom. And decided that the actor had wildly overplayed the scene and that his scream was more likely to have come from someone falling off a skyscraper.

One of the best bits of radio lore ever, in my view.

It's the stuff like that keeping me attached to Radio 4.

maybe he was screaming as he lost his balance…
 
Popping back in to say that if Shattenstone wins that award and if guest wants a way to explain why she has been rarely seen for the past however many months she's got it. All she has to do is read the previous thread and handpick her reasons. She's been given it on a plate. By us. She never thought of it herself, because if she did she'd have been screaming from the rooftops the day that article hit. This is the one time when I'm not going to congratulate the canal. ❤ you all though.
But that wasn’t the only reason she hasn’t been seen in months, or even the main one. She was around long, long after that lying about the Sue Lee money and chatting shite about pickin’ chickens, hair dye, being doorstepped and other vacuous fantasist inanity.

Plus she’s already had two opportunities to do that, first when it was initially being mithered over at length on here in the immediate aftermath and she could have seized that and run with it, then the second time at Greenbelt when the only part she took issue with was the sideboards part.
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Unfortunately she’s so thick she came out with a load of bollox that could easily be disproven (11pm at night, found herself in that “vulnerable” position “unawares” (rather than gloating about having signed off on it as she’d earlier done), all the trolls had insisted he had to ask that stuff etc etc.). ETA and they’re friends, have spoken about it and are still in touch. Idiot.

There’s nothing she can say now. It’s too late, nobody would believe her, and she’d be an idiot to draw attention to that article again because it’s demonstrably mostly bollox. Plus all the other questions swirling around her, where’s the Sue Lee money, where’s the VBI etc.

And this place has given her multiple ideas/suggestions etc how she might handle certain things over the years, but she’s too stupid and arrogant to take them, and just wants to SPITE us instead. I really don’t think anyone here needs to worry they’ve said something, or sanitize legitimate opinion, debate and discussion for fear it will unleash the Slop Kraken.
 
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But that wasn’t the only reason she hasn’t been seen in months, or even the main one. She was around long, long after that lying about the Sue Lee money and chatting shite about picking chickens, hair dye, being doorstepped and other vacuous fantasist inanity.

Plus she’s already had two opportunities to do that, first when it was initially being mithered over at length on here in the immediate aftermath and she could have seized that and run with it, then the second time at Greenbelt when the only part she took issue with was the sideboards part.
View attachment 2696512 qUnfortunately she’s so thick she came out with a load of bollox that could easily be disproven (11pm at night, found herself in that “vulnerable” position “unawares” (rather than gloating about having signed off on it as she’d earlier done), all the trolls had insisted he had to ask that stuff etc etc.).

There’s nothing she can say now. It’s too late, nobody would believe her, and she’d be an idiot to draw attention to that article again because it’s demonstrably mostly bollox. Plus all the other questions swirling around her, where’s the Sue Lee money, where’s the VBI etc.

And this place has given her multiple ideas/suggestions etc how she might handle certain things over the years, but she’s too stupid and arrogant to take them, and just wants to SPITE us instead. I really don’t think anyone here needs to worry they’ve said something, or sanitize legitimate opinion, debate and discussion for fear it will unleash the Slop Kraken.
Lolling at ‘unawares’
Can we add that to the list of words she doesn’t understand
 
I wonder if Shattenstone would think that he and guest were "friends" or whether they'd "talked about it". Spending a day with someone for a professional commitment does not constitute a friendship. I suspect she bombarded him with texts after the interview and after it ran, and he maybe responded a few times with something like "OK thanks".
 
I have never heard of any journo asking a potential interviewee in advance for contacts of their next of kin or emergency contact? I doubt that happened.

I think Shatty & co couldn't rouse Jack when the driver arrived to collect her and they started phoning around. Because LJC is probably easy to each on a weekend thru mutual journo contacts or cos Shatty has her number himself, they called her. Interview was on a Saturday so Agent Adrian's office was closed but perhaps they had his mobile and called him too. Either LJC or Adrian gave Shatty the AA sponsor's number because, by that point, they were genuinely worried and neither of them was in Southend. The AA sponsor presumably is local to |Jack and could be mobilised to do a door knock if needed.

As to how much Jack engineered and pre-planned this chaos, I'm still unsure but fraus' arguments on this are compelling.

OT: Tim Dowling, Shatty and Adrian Chiles are a triumvirate of bores with no new ideas and a totally complacent approach to their cushy jobs. It is my personal bugbear that they just go on and on and that one of them is married to the Guardian Editor in Chief. There's so many cool, bright journos out there being retrenched or scrabbling around the freelance pools and I wish someone would clear out the dead wood at the Graun and reinvigorate them.

I think Jack might well have engineered the chaos, at least subconsciously - I can imagine her being a ball of nervous excitement the night before, and doing something to have kept her awake. We know she wasn't on her main Twitter account, but she might have been bickering with people on another platform or using a sock. Or maybe she was researching eel recipes, or dragging filing cabinets from one end of the bungamansion to the other. Perhaps there was chemical assistance.

Either way, I do think the "fell asleep at 6am" bit is probably close to the truth - one of those post-bender semi-comatose states that would let her snooze through 27 alarms and a dozen people calling and banging on her door. The description of her waking in a panicked frenzy and crying in the car would certainly fit with that. I imagine that that's a fairly typical sort of chaos for her - whilst not exactly planned as such, is certainly something that she could have avoided.

But I think anything after that can't possibly have been planned. How could she know that the driver would do anything other than maybe sending her a couple of text messages before bleeping off? How could she know who would ring who, and who would volunteer to go to her house? How could she know that Shattenstone wouldn't insist on a postponement? How could she know that the photographer and stylists would have been prepared to go back to the studio, or even that the studio would still be available? How could she know where and when they'd go for food?

There's just too many variables there for her to have orchestrated the outcome. The restaurant bill thing probably happened because she was loudly bigging herself up in a way that was impossible not to overhear - she probably made herself out to be some sort of superhero, worthy of global celebrity (and I'll bet Shattenstone was encouraging her).

If it was all staged, then either Jack or Agent Adrian is an evil genius!
 
But that wasn’t the only reason she hasn’t been seen in months, or even the main one. She was around long, long after that lying about the Sue Lee money and chatting shite about pickin’ chickens, hair dye, being doorstepped and other vacuous fantasist inanity.

Plus she’s already had two opportunities to do that, first when it was initially being mithered over at length on here in the immediate aftermath and she could have seized that and run with it, then the second time at Greenbelt when the only part she took issue with was the sideboards part.
View attachment 2696512 qUnfortunately she’s so thick she came out with a load of bollox that could easily be disproven (11pm at night, found herself in that “vulnerable” position “unawares” (rather than gloating about having signed off on it as she’d earlier done), all the trolls had insisted he had to ask that stuff etc etc.). ETA and they’re friends, have spoken about it and are still in touch. Idiot.

There’s nothing she can say now. It’s too late, nobody would believe her, and she’d be an idiot to draw attention to that article again because it’s demonstrably mostly bollox. Plus all the other questions swirling around her, where’s the Sue Lee money, where’s the VBI etc.

And this place has given her multiple ideas/suggestions etc how she might handle certain things over the years, but she’s too stupid and arrogant to take them, and just wants to SPITE us instead. I really don’t think anyone here needs to worry they’ve said something, or sanitize legitimate opinion, debate and discussion for fear it will unleash the Slop Kraken.
Another journalistic technicality: the parameters of the photo shoot were most likely agreed beforehand, with Jack and her agent agreeing to the posing in the bathtub. That would've required her consent to appear to be naked and she would've agreed to changes of clothes, working with the stylists et al.

So, she and her agent were idiots to think that her in a bath with loads of coins was a good look, no matter how the Graun sold it to them.

However, Jack would not have had sign-off of the article before it was published. So she's lying about that.

No journalist ever passes an article back to an interviewee before they publish it. They may go back to them to clarify facts but it's a cornerstone principle of journalism that the subject of a piece cannot interfere with it or make changes before publication. They have the right of reply after the article comes out.
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I think Jack might well have engineered the chaos, at least subconsciously - I can imagine her being a ball of nervous excitement the night before, and doing something to have kept her awake. We know she wasn't on her main Twitter account, but she might have been bickering with people on another platform or using a sock. Or maybe she was researching eel recipes, or dragging filing cabinets from one end of the bungamansion to the other. Perhaps there was chemical assistance.

Either way, I do think the "fell asleep at 6am" bit is probably close to the truth - one of those post-bender semi-comatose states that would let her snooze through 27 alarms and a dozen people calling and banging on her door. The description of her waking in a panicked frenzy and crying in the car would certainly fit with that. I imagine that that's a fairly typical sort of chaos for her - whilst not exactly planned as such, is certainly something that she could have avoided.

But I think anything after that can't possibly have been planned. How could she know that the driver would do anything other than maybe sending her a couple of text messages before bleeping off? How could she know who would ring who, and who would volunteer to go to her house? How could she know that Shattenstone wouldn't insist on a postponement? How could she know that the photographer and stylists would have been prepared to go back to the studio, or even that the studio would still be available? How could she know where and when they'd go for food?

There's just too many variables there for her to have orchestrated the outcome. The restaurant bill thing probably happened because she was loudly bigging herself up in a way that was impossible not to overhear - she probably made herself out to be some sort of superhero, worthy of global celebrity (and I'll bet Shattenstone was encouraging her).

If it was all staged, then either Jack or Agent Adrian is an evil genius!
I think this so. But I'm also wildly naive about narcisstic personality disorder so WFK?
 
I think Jack might well have engineered the chaos, at least subconsciously - I can imagine her being a ball of nervous excitement the night before, and doing something to have kept her awake. We know she wasn't on her main Twitter account, but she might have been bickering with people on another platform or using a sock. Or maybe she was researching eel recipes, or dragging filing cabinets from one end of the bungamansion to the other. Perhaps there was chemical assistance.

Either way, I do think the "fell asleep at 6am" bit is probably close to the truth - one of those post-bender semi-comatose states that would let her snooze through 27 alarms and a dozen people calling and banging on her door. The description of her waking in a panicked frenzy and crying in the car would certainly fit with that. I imagine that that's a fairly typical sort of chaos for her - whilst not exactly planned as such, is certainly something that she could have avoided.

But I think anything after that can't possibly have been planned. How could she know that the driver would do anything other than maybe sending her a couple of text messages before bleeping off? How could she know who would ring who, and who would volunteer to go to her house? How could she know that Shattenstone wouldn't insist on a postponement? How could she know that the photographer and stylists would have been prepared to go back to the studio, or even that the studio would still be available? How could she know where and when they'd go for food?

There's just too many variables there for her to have orchestrated the outcome. The restaurant bill thing probably happened because she was loudly bigging herself up in a way that was impossible not to overhear - she probably made herself out to be some sort of superhero, worthy of global celebrity (and I'll bet Shattenstone was encouraging her).

If it was all staged, then either Jack or Agent Adrian is an evil genius!

I do also wonder if she was hoping to get out of it.

As it happened she managed to play Shattenstone like a fiddle but perhaps she did worry the night before that he would see right through her and actually skewer her. That could lead to her either staying up all night and then sleeping through it or deliberately ignoring the calls only to be foiled when her late response was met with “come on then” instead of “sorry too late, we’ve cancelled it”.
 
However, Jack would not have had sign-off of the article before it was published. So she's lying about that.

No journalist ever passes an article back to an interviewee before they publish it. They may go back to them to clarify facts but it's a cornerstone principle of journalism that the subject of a piece cannot interfere with it or make changes before publication. They have the right of reply after the article comes out.

100% this.

I suspect that in guestworld, where everything is exaggerated and, shall we say, economical with the truth, she decided to pretend that "I signed off on the photo shoot in advance" also included "I read and approved the article in advance".
 
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