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BettyShoop said:
New-time poster allert here.

The first time I came on a JM thread was when, surprisingly, it came up in my Google suggestions and I really did not like it. What did this person, who just tried to make affordable recipes for those who need them, have done so wrong to get all this hate?

Fast forward a few weeks after unfollowing JM on Twitter because I was getting annoyed with her cringe-worthy posts and began reading a few threads here. And then reading thread #31 where she responds hereself. Oh my....(I also very much enjoyed reading the posts on class btw. As an EU-import in Scotland who worked both at one of the most prestigious universities and a wee ex-polytechnic, lots of recognisable observations and things I first did not understand when I moved here in 2006).

I won't go into all the ways she annoyed me in thread #31 (or on her Twitter), just what stood out for me. I am not surprised she has been diagnosed with a form of autism. My dad got diagnosed with Aspergers (suspected Aspergers as my grandparents could not be consulted anymore) when he was in his late fifties. The way she keeps on responding out-of-touch to some of the comments and questions in that thread is like reading a discussion with him. Someone so tangled up in their own narrative they can't escape it anymore, not showing any awareness of how this way of responding rubs people the wrong way and not 'getting' the point of some questions/remarks and then answering very literally or detailed.

My dad also has a history of leaving jobs and social clubs through blown-up conflicts (no ability to reign himself in or consider the impact on family members - he once deliberately cause a ruckus at town hall over some local planning thing and admitted he had expected to be taken tot he police station in advance. He didn't care it was my mum's birthday and embarrassing for her). And when my parent divorced he was quite manipulative towards me and my sister (we were in our thirties and he didn't like we were not playing along with the victim-role he assigned himself). For relatives and friends, social handicap like high-functioning autism remains challenging. My sister and I often ask each other: Is this dad's Aspergers, or is he just being a dick? In other words, does he know better than to behave like this or not? I still often do not know what I can and cannot expect of him (he is also very generous with his time and money if I explicitly ask for help). And I really do love him and I also feel for him and his inability to solve social conflict better, because he does crave connections and friendship. My husband has a good friend / musical partner with Apergers and struggles with this too: where does Paul's autism start and stop and how much is his own responsibility?

Anyway, because he's my father and Paul a friend, we take the effort to reflect on our interactions and will give them the benefit of doubt or keep loving them anyway. But I don't think public figures can ask the same of their audiences. Social handicaps are no joke and hard to navigate, but like physical handicaps there is help and adjustments for navigating the world. And just like blind people don't drive cars, perhaps public figures with a social handicap should not manage their own social media. For their own safety first, but for others too.

As for JM in the public eye, I am just done with following her and the repetitive victim story. I have some of her books and like some of her recipes, though they are hit/miss. I have enjoyed her suggestions for reducing food waste and substituting ingredients (I know this can be a joke as well), which can be a great encouragement for people who want to cook more and are intimidated by long lists of ingredients/having to buy special things. It's a shame it all has to come with a side of 'poor-old-me-could-not-buy-a-house-at-30' and the generous pinches of 'look-at-me-being-quirky/whacky-not-giving-a-tit-but-pleeeeease-like-me'. She's definitely lost me there and it makes me not want to spend money on her work.

(And duck her for all that kitten stuff)
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What a great post, I too was a lurker until quite recently. I ended up here after it was mentioned on one of JM’s Twitter rants. I’d been following, open mouthed, at what looked like a lesson in how not to conduct yourself as a person in the public eye. You’ve articulated all the things I was wondering about so well. For me it was the David Walliams episode that tipped me over, esp when a friend of mine (a big fan of JM) joined in the pile on. I couldn’t contain it any longer and ended up having my own rant IRL to get it off my chest.

I feel really sad about the kitten. I’ve no doubt she does love it but seems very misguided in thinking it’ll have a good outcome. The poor little thing looks very unwell, even just in its eyes. I’ve had a few poorly cats and you just know by their face when they’re ill. I hope whatever referral she’s asked for (demanded) comes through quickly and a professional with its best interests at heart is involved as soon as possible.

JM aside the hilarious posts on here have kept me sane recently. My husband has been made redundant in lockdown so home is pretty stressful. You’re a delicious coven of cackling housfrau’s (frauen?).

ps. My pet hate is when she writes ‘plenty of pepper’. It makes my eye twitch because it’s in every bloody recipe!
 
Who’s keeping the list of the luxury shite she could flog before begging for donations? I’ve found a £170 addition
 

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Morning!

Just doing a flying visit as I have work to do (really, there's a huge mailshot to sort out for this morning).

1. Don't give anybody with ASD the benefit of the doubt unless they are severely disabled. Speaking as one of them (who also had a brother more severely effected), as does Mr D, and having worked with plenty of teenagers with it - most in the position of having jobs and relationships know exactly when they're being a head. Not one of us have been spiteful to other people out of jealousy, attacked random strangers on a train, made desperately sick animals stay alive when it's not in their best interests to do so, or wail about tit that happened a decade ago as a reason why we're beyond reproach for Anything, Ever. It's a diagnosis, not a bleeping Papal Indulgence.

2. The dietary requirements of a ten year old are not met by heating up a few scraggy vegetables and some cheap as possible bacon. Nor are they met by expecting said child to eat the same crap three days in a row. There aren't enough calories, protein of nutrients in it.

3. As a child, they deserve the best food, not scraps and tit whilst you eat expensive stuff. And that does mean things like decent chips as well as meat (if they're not vegetarian of their own volition), cheese (not the crusty bits left after you've eaten the decent part) and yoghurts/fruit/etc. He's going to go back home and eat as though he's never been fed before at the end of the three days contact.

4. Kids are very similar to cats - they gravitate to where the food is good, not tit and restrictive/loaded with disapproval and guilt. And where they feel their existence is acknowledged.

5. Theoretically, there could have been a Family Court thing where a specific order was made to prohibit certain acts, such as including a child in social media posts, particularly in view of some of the claimed previous 'jobs'. They're the sort of thing that gets added onto an order for residence and contact, for example.



Right, I'm being pestered by the boss, better crack on. I'll be back later, fraus!
 
chocolate choux said:
Who’s keeping the list of the luxury shite she could flog before begging for donations? I’ve found a £170 addition
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They're literally such unnecessary purchases seeing as she never sleeps anyway! You can get a digital clock in Argos for £15 love x

Eta: Jack I'm not saying WC people arent allowed to have nice things btw as that is often your line of argument. I'm saying don't get out the begging bowl to your vulnerable followers when your house is full of tit like that!
 
That’s a different bedroom than the one she normally takes pictures in. It’s got a different headboard and bedside cabinets.

I don’t believe the story about her Dad wanting her to be a doctor and that’s why she got the tattoo. I think she got it because of her honorary doctorate. Remember when she cos-played as a doctor for a bit and referred to herself as Dr Monroe?

ETA: My spelling is all over the place this morning 🥴
 
LavaFlake said:
They're literally such unnecessary purchases seeing as she never sleeps anyway! You can get a digital clock in Argos for £15 love x

Eta: Jack I'm not saying WC people arent allowed to have nice things btw as that is often your line of argument. I'm saying don't get out the begging bowl to your vulnerable followers when your house is full of tit like that!
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I think the iPhone 11 might even come with an alarm clock feature? 😂

She doesn’t seem to understand that although WC people can and do have nice things, it’s normally only one or two items which are used a lot, and have multiple uses - a phone or laptop for example. Not a bloody luxury alarm clock, or a Viv Westwood (RIP) dress shoved in the back of the wardrobe and never worn
 
CottageWitch said:
HOWEVER, it's not her singing that I find unbearable but just the minutes of irrelevant chat and professing how she "has" to do this even though she's "never been so nervous" but she just HAS to and she auditioned for singing competitions and her singing goes right back to when she was a child and on and on and on. Just sing the song. You don't have to upload it. More power to you if you want to, but in that case just stop defending it and just do it. Or sing in the shower for yourself like lots of people do.
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This is it. She attaches so much importance to every little thing she does. She'd tweet that she'd just taken the most AMAZING SPECIAL INCREDIBLE tit if she didn't have at least a modicum of self awareness that it might ruin her brand (her food already kinda looks like tit anyway so 🤷‍♀️). For most people, singing and looking after pets and cooking food and decorating their houses is just life. She's only managed to make a career out of her oversharing because we live in a society where that is apparently valued.
 
chocolate choux said:
Who’s keeping the list of the luxury shite she could flog before begging for donations? I’ve found a £170 addition
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omg I love the CSI fraus who spot & track down these items, thank you for your services to the thread x

I do like our lumie - looked it up and it's currently £60 on Amazon which is just over a THIRD of the price of hers! Or there's one available for £40 which is quite cute. She loves a high end accessory, I'm sure she's friends with Mrs. Lumie who #kindlygifted her this :rolleyes:

chocolate choux said:
I think the iPhone 11 might even come with an alarm clock feature? 😂

She doesn’t seem to understand that although WC people can and do have nice things, it’s normally only one or two items which are used a lot, and have multiple uses - a phone or laptop for example. Not a bloody alarm clock, or a Viv Westwood (RIP) dress shoved in the back of the wardrobe and never worn
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Yeah, you can also get some really good sleep apps (think they've made a lot of those features native to the health app now so free of subscription) to wake you up gently too, albeit with noise not light. You can also sync those apps with Philips hue accessories, eg a bulb (approx £20) in a lamp or light fitting, we synced ours with our smart blinds pre-lockdown, now we just get up whenevs haha.
 
chocolate choux said:
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She’s got this lovely big table that I noticed a while ago. Looks like it would easily seat ten people. They do not come cheap.
 

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Passive_Aggressive_Lemon said:
That’s a different bedroom than the one she normally takes pictures in. It’s got a different headboard and bedside cabinets.
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yes! She’s forever Goldilocksing about how big her big huge superking Big size big bed is. That’s not it! That’s one(!) of her spare rooms. (I remember the ‘more than one’ bit from a tedious twitter talk about bedding).
 
Passive_Aggressive_Lemon said:
That’s a different bedroom than the one she normally takes pictures in. It’s got a different headboard and bedside cabinets.

I don’t believe the story about her Dad wanting her to be a doctor and that’s why she got the tattoo. I think she got it because of her honorary doctorate. Remember when she cos-played as a doctor for a bit and referred to herself as Dr Monroe?

ETA: My spelling is all over the place this morning 🥴
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Yes, thank you! Thought I was going bonkers. That bedroom is not the same one that had the stacked bookshelf and Dyson fan next to it a few days ago.

heretoreaditall2019 said:
omg I love the CSI fraus who spot & track down these items, thank you for your services to the thread x

I do like our lumie - looked it up and it's currently £60 on Amazon which is just over a THIRD of the price of hers! Or there's one available for £40 which is quite cute. She loves a high end accessory, I'm sure she's friends with Mrs. Lumie who #kindlygifted her this :rolleyes:
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Truly HOOTING over "CSI fraus" *insert old Yahoo Messenger emoji rolling on the floor laughing*

Avon used to do a half decent sunrise alarm clock. I believe it was about £15....

LF519 said:
God I wish I had a crappy bungalow.
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Babe, same.
 
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