Jack Monroe #145 Mamapapa, why is all the food brown?

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Misbehaving said:
Sorry but why has everything got to do with privilege as far as she is concerned? (probably showing yet again her own subconscious aspirations/bias?)
Jack if you ask me (sorry if you didn't) really covets a position amongst the powerful (seen as how good food is only for the privileged in her mind because only they can afford it or are educated enough to eat well not true but anyway she has to believe that to jusify her own preachiness) Also so she can have a pretext with which enlighten us all with such pearls of wisdom as...

Access to fresh fruit and vegetables and the means with which to buy them is a privilege?

I don't know about you but i've never debated with myself about mmm the price of a punnet of strawberries or buying a cauliflower mmm economical dilemma there..hmm but what can i eat?
Can i really afford a bag of potatoes?
Shall i splurge and go mad and buy a pineapple?
Go on girl get with it get with the programne i tell myself after all you only have one life and you've already bought the frozen pizzas and low cost chicken thighs (joke but you know according to jackie as a poor thats my first port of call battery caged and factory farmed meat? :cautious:) ..can i really be that extravagant and buy some lettuce to go with it?
After all it is 50p and the kids are waiting...psst must buy them the crisps they covet or even frozen burgers (actually my kids do eat junk food sometimes shock horror but they also eat a wide variety of healthier food to balance it out same as most kids as far as i'm aware?) but stil can i stretch myself to buy that cucumber??
I am indeed blessed i can afford satsumas (not out of a tin) no babe i'm living it large if i'm feeling really adventurous i might even make my own coleslaw...stop the world...

Also when people make a choice to be vegan why is that also a privilege?
Isn't that a bit of an arrogant statement?
Don't we all make choices every day about what to eat and put in our mouths?
My dad was a bus driver on a low income and was a vegetarian because he didn't want to eat meat that doesn't make him elitist?
As if only the enlightened few were capable of making healthy or ethical choices?
Again way to go jack with the moral superiority?
Is she really that small minded?
I know plenty of people who are not rich or privileged doing exactly the same thing?
Shopping with care and consideration because they like to cook and enjoy it?
Also there is an abundence of fresh produce at low prices especially at market stalls and gasp shock horror you might even see some not very well off people there?
Not counting every last penny and crying into their wallets but because they like to buy fresh good quality food at low prices same goes for our local butcher and fishmonger?
I'm lucky to live close to smithfiels market and its not fancy in the least a diverse range of people shop there always have done always will?
I think the real poverty jack has is in her view of life and people in general?

Oh and the last quote thats got to take the biscuit...
Food educator Jackie of the furrowed brow is worried because despite all her efforts... the (poor) people decided not to heed her words of wisdom how ungrateful!

My recipes were aimed primarily at people
living in or on the margins of poverty most of whom are omnivores despite my best efforts?

Oh dear Jack better wring your hands and despair some people just don't know how to be lectured to isn't that right?
Even when you try to show them the error of their ways hmm
Still not to worry you still have many books (money stream of income) to churn out to try and correct that?
So patience and godspeed
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It's always the most privileged people who say that being vegan is a privilege. Just like my ex-friend (who led me to Jack), who'se dad recently bought her an expensive house, sneering that veganism is for privileged people. These types act like they are defending the poor and vulnerable from (imaginary)attacks by mean, uppity, rich vegans, while speaking for the poor and erasing those of us (like me) who are vegan in difficult circumstances. It is also condescending and as you said elitist, for them to tell underprivileged people that veganism isn't for them, and to not worry their little heads about what those nasty vegans say.

Note to Jack: most poor people are omnivores... because 95% of the country are omnivores. There was no need to act like by writing a vegan cookbook, she would be excluding anybody.

I don't believe she was ever vegan, and this article cements that. She's managed to get in two big anti-vegan talking points: alleged "privilege", and allegations of vegans being nasty, abusive extremists. Meanwhile, managing to make herself look like the reasonable, moderate hero.
 
Pocahontas said:
Congratulations to @GoLando for the thread title! 🎉 your prize: you get to taste test Jack’s tinned mandarin dish.

Did she submit her book? it’s a mystery.

Some old Diva articles about Jack were shared by @discolisa

It was a tense race, but mandarins took the lead in her hot poll.

SB came out worse in the lunch off.

New to Jack? Check out the wiki in the pink tag.
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Thankyou, ThankJack, and Thankme for having always known she’s a twit and finally being vindicated.
 
In terms of the mandarin recipe, some options for 90% vegan Jack.

1. Vegan duck à l’mandarin segments.

2. Mandarin posset

3. Key mandarin pie

4. Mandarin drizzle cake

5. Chicken stuffed with mandarin and tarragon (although herbs are herbs are herbs)

6. Mandarin marmalade

7. St Clement’s pudding (place mandarin segments in middle instead of using zest)

8. Mandarin juice hollandaise

9. Old school but obvious- mandarin vinaigrette

10. Finally, an oldie but a goodie... Thai green curry with mandarins. Can be made vegan with tofu or not with prawnos defrosted in their own juices.

Enjoy.


(Disclaimer: I basically followed Jack’s rules that all citrus fruits are citrus fruits are citrus fruits)
 
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Adayinthelife said:
🔺 As parent of someone ACTUALLY AUTISTIC, her performative bullshit really pisses me off. I mean, I do have an issue generally with self-diagnosis and wearing a label like a badge of honour, but JM can just absolutely get to duck with her ‘99% classical autism’. It’s even more bollocks than being 90% vegan
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She seems self-diagnosed as hell. I have dyspraxia and the roundabout thing etc sounds a lot more like that (I had the same problem til someone really sat and talked me through it and made me practice) and I've never known a doctor to diagnose stuff like that. Even my educational psychologist could only suggest that I might have ADHD and to get a referral from my GP to see a specialist (which I finally got last week after far too long!)
 
Is it just me or does she sound so very insincere? I just don’t believe anything she says, not even about her own child.

Maybe I’ve woken up in a bad mood.
 

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The diagnosis for ADHD and ASD is by answering loads and loads of questions. There is no blood test or whatever. Through the NHS you need a GP referral and the process will involve a specialist team of some kind, depending on how it works in your area. An adult patient would mainly tell the professional themselves. Many threads back Jack talked about making her friends and family write down their views about her behaiour or something- I'm sure this would be part of the process.

An educational psychologist employed privately can diagnose both- I didn't know this until I started working outside of the state sector. You could definitely read up on either condition and answer the questions to present as having either condition. A friend (never diagnosed) got ADHD medication from a private clinic in London and did everyting over the phone/ internet. In my job 🔺 I work with teenager disgnosed by a mixture of psychiatrists and educational psychologists. I am sure most people working in this area are ethical, but in my experience it is very very easy to get a diagnosis if you have money to throw at it.
 
colouredlines said:
I checked in on her Patreon. Remember, it was 365 on 31/1. On the 1st the money is taken and people whose payment bounces get removed.

Yesterday she was on 353 - okay, probably bouncers.

But today she's down to 344! A few squiggles seeing the light? Expect howling and groaning very soon...
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So probably people that forgot they were even signed up, only remembered when money got taken out on the 1st, then thought "duck this, I never get sent anything"?!
 
waffle maker said:
The diagnosis for ADHD and ASD is by answering loads and loads of questions. There is no blood test or whatever. Through the NHS you need a GP referral and the process will involve a specialist team of some kind, depending on how it works in your area. An adult patient would mainly tell the professional themselves. Many threads back Jack talked about making her friends and family write down their views about her behaiour or something- I'm sure this would be part of the process.

An educational psychologist employed privately can diagnose both- I didn't know this until I started working outside of the state sector. You could definitely read up on either condition and answer the questions to present as having either condition. A friend (never diagnosed) got ADHD medication from a private clinic in London and did everyting over the phone/ internet. In my job 🔺 I work with teenager disgnosed by a mixture of psychiatrists and educational psychologists. I am sure most people working in this area are ethical, but in my experience it is very very easy to get a diagnosis if you have money to throw at it.
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The adult assessment process consists of two sets of ratings scales, a developmental questionnaire filled in by someone who knew you as a young child, questionnaires filled out by someone who knows you as an adult and interviews with a psychologist. It's a pretty long and intense process.

I know someone who went down the private route as an adult to get the ADHD diagnosis and now pays £120 a month for meds. The NHS don't accept the diagnoses from the private clinics (either ADHD or autism) simply because they are not reliable enough. ADHD meds are very tightly controlled on the NHS.
 
LyraBalaqua said:
Is it just me or does she sound so very insincere? I just don’t believe anything she says, not even about her own child.

Maybe I’ve woken up in a bad mood.
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I think you’re 100% correct! Absolutely no feeling in those words at all.

Edited to add - I wonder if that’s why she has no friends, if she things “hanging out” means ignoring the other person while you spend the entire time on SM.
 
hollowhusk said:
The adult assessment process consists of two sets of ratings scales, a developmental questionnaire filled in by someone who knew you as a young child, questionnaires filled out by someone who knows you as an adult and interviews with a psychologist. It's a pretty long and intense process.

I know someone who went down the private route as an adult to get the ADHD diagnosis and now pays £120 a month for meds. The NHS don't accept the diagnoses from the private clinics (either ADHD or autism) simply because they are not reliable enough. ADHD meds are very tightly controlled on the NHS.
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I reckon she pays
 
waffle maker said:
A friend (never diagnosed) got ADHD medication from a private clinic in London and did everyting over the phone/ internet.
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I have given my personal experience of "medication shopping" from a private doctor. I got prescribed all sorts of stuff that I really didn't need, I just wanted because I was abusing all sorts of drugs at the time. If you've got the money, there's a doctor that will be willing to give you anything you want.

It's like anything in life, you think these people would be above reproach, but there's always been dodgy doctors solicitors, accountants etc etc.
 
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