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Milliemoo99 said:
There was a really tragic story recently about a person who was found guilty of killing their mother.

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.the.../teenager-stabbed-mother-more-than-100-times-

But they used the word they to describe the murder, saying they murdered her. I had to read the article three times, trying to work out the plural, and to work out who else must have been involved, because the article was about...them murdering her.......before I realised that the murder had been committed just by one person!
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It does read strange, especially at the start:

A teenager stabbed their mother more than 100 times before dialling 999 and calmly telling police to “bring a body bag”, an inquest heard.
Rowan Thompson, 17, had just returned from a jog with Joanna Thompson when they attacked her at her home in the Hampshire village of Hambledon.

Unclear. Does not give any insight into who Joanna is. I thought Joanna was a friend with the same surname or a relative who had helped Rowan stab her.

The teenager strangled Ms Thompson, a 50-year-old speech therapist, in her living room until she fell unconscious before stabbing her in the neck, forehead and arm

Irresponsible and shoddy journalism, all to respect the pronouns of a murderer who strangled and stabbed his mother over 100 times.

SqualorVictoria said:
It looks like the Guardian have deleted that story?
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Try this link https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.12...abbed-mother-more-than-100-times-inquest-told

Re: Eddie Izzard. This twitter thread is gold 😂



 
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witchofwestbyfleet said:
Local press and even the BBC refer to the killer as HE ... as they should

When Harry Styles did the dress photoshoot I remember seeing a lot of commentary that he should either come out as a trans "woman", or stop "appropriating" the look of trans women by wearing a dress. The irony is painful
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I had to laugh at the irony... a man wearing a dress is appropriating the look of trans women... what??? Society dictates that dresses are women’s clothes, sooo if anything it’s trans women who are doing the appropriating.
 
Longtime lurker and fence sitter here. Firstly - and I'm not saying this to stir up an argument - I believe trans women are women (and trans men are men etc). And I want equal rights for trans people. I'm fine with shared spaces, I think. But I'm really struggling to get my head around the constant tellings off for using the word "woman" when talking about... women's things. Birth, pregnancy. I believe men can be pregnant, in the case of trans men. So I'm pretty pro trans rights, but even I'm being told that I'm not pro trans rights enough.

I got told that "breastfeeding" should be referred to as breast/chestfeeding. I work in the pregnancy and breastfeeding world and I know how little support there is already. I don't know how to word this properly, but I feel like not calling it breastfeeding does a disservice to women. And breasts are female AND male. Men can get breast cancer.

I don't know how to articulate myself well on this (was up most of last night feeding my twins) but being told to use "they" instead of he or she really annoys me too. I'll call a trans woman "she" and a trans man "he" each and every time. I have no issue with that and never will. But things like the photos I'll add below are starting to really grate. They're from a dungaree group that I was in (and have now left). Someone posted referring to the model in the photo, who is clearly a woman as "she", and they got told to change the post to say "they". I've added the edit history of the post. I would personally be offended if I was referred to as "they". Women are still very much a marginalised group. I don't know what I'm getting at really. Just thinking out loud.

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sorenips said:
Longtime lurker and fence sitter here. Firstly - and I'm not saying this to stir up an argument - I believe trans women are women (and trans men are men etc). And I want equal rights for trans people. I'm fine with shared spaces, I think. But I'm really struggling to get my head around the constant tellings off for using the word "woman" when talking about... women's things. Birth, pregnancy. I believe men can be pregnant, in the case of trans men. So I'm pretty pro trans rights, but even I'm being told that I'm not pro trans rights enough.

I got told that "breastfeeding" should be referred to as breast/chestfeeding. I work in the pregnancy and breastfeeding world and I know how little support there is already. I don't know how to word this properly, but I feel like not calling it breastfeeding does a disservice to women. And breasts are female AND male. Men can get breast cancer.

I don't know how to articulate myself well on this (was up most of last night feeding my twins) but being told to use "they" instead of he or she really annoys me too. I'll call a trans woman "she" and a trans man "he" each and every time. I have no issue with that and never will. But things like the photos I'll add below are starting to really grate. They're from a dungaree group that I was in (and have now left). Someone posted referring to the model in the photo, who is clearly a woman as "she", and they got told to change the post to say "they". I've added the edit history of the post. I would personally be offended if I was referred to as "they". Women are still very much a marginalised group. I don't know what I'm getting at really. Just thinking out loud.

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Well I find them saying use they = gender neutral kind'ove ironic in this context, wouldn't that mean they're assuming this woman is non-binary when she may not identify as such? (That's the problem with the woke world you're never woke enough, twist yourself up till logic goes out the window).

Also may I ask how you're so sure trans women are women and vice versa? see it was one thing saying that someone had dysphoria, but now that it's only a feeling well that makes many people skeptic. What is this feeling? what is the tangible reality of it? a hormone? a pathology? I'm not trying to change your mind, but do you see my point?
 
sorenips said:
Longtime lurker and fence sitter here. Firstly - and I'm not saying this to stir up an argument - I believe trans women are women (and trans men are men etc). And I want equal rights for trans people. I'm fine with shared spaces, I think. But I'm really struggling to get my head around the constant tellings off for using the word "woman" when talking about... women's things. Birth, pregnancy. I believe men can be pregnant, in the case of trans men. So I'm pretty pro trans rights, but even I'm being told that I'm not pro trans rights enough.

I got told that "breastfeeding" should be referred to as breast/chestfeeding. I work in the pregnancy and breastfeeding world and I know how little support there is already. I don't know how to word this properly, but I feel like not calling it breastfeeding does a disservice to women. And breasts are female AND male. Men can get breast cancer.

I don't know how to articulate myself well on this (was up most of last night feeding my twins) but being told to use "they" instead of he or she really annoys me too. I'll call a trans woman "she" and a trans man "he" each and every time. I have no issue with that and never will. But things like the photos I'll add below are starting to really grate. They're from a dungaree group that I was in (and have now left). Someone posted referring to the model in the photo, who is clearly a woman as "she", and they got told to change the post to say "they". I've added the edit history of the post. I would personally be offended if I was referred to as "they". Women are still very much a marginalised group. I don't know what I'm getting at really. Just thinking out loud.

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Can I just say that I really appreciate your post. Although I don't personally agree with you that transwomen are women and transmen are men, your post is very considerate and you strike me as a caring person. (love you name btw!)

I think where I very much agree with you is that the well-intentioned effort to be inclusive and welcoming in our language has somewhat spectacularly backfired and we now have multiple examples - such as the one you've included - where this has gone to a bit of an extreme and is generating equally extreme reactions and accusations. I personally feel quite angered that the word 'women/woman' has been altogether omitted from campaigns around cervical cancer for example, when inclusive language could have been included alongside the word 'women'.

Terms such as 'chestfeeding' instead of breastfeeding and 'utertus- havers', 'cervix-havers', 'menstruators' etc.... I find very dehumanising. I recognise the efforts to be inclusive but feel that it is important to recognise the group most common to all of this - women. Language is important and it is quite clear that breastfeeding is a suitable word as it is, there is no reason to change it. The child feeds from the breast. That's it. It's not a word that needs to be changed at all.

I feel that women are expressing their discomfort at this dehumanising language and the omittance of the word 'woman' and are getting a lot of grief back. It often feels to me that as women we are just being told to sit back, shut up and 'be kind'. Because that's what women are 'supposed' do...make way and be kind, even (especially?) if it inconveniences them.

What I would want to ask you I suppose, is what is it that makes you believe that transwomen are women and transmen are men. What do you think it is to be a man or a woman?
 
CheshireLove said:
Can I just say that I really appreciate your post. Although I don't personally agree with you that transwomen are women and transmen are men, your post is very considerate and you strike me as a caring person. (love you name btw!)

I think where I very much agree with you is that the well-intentioned effort to be inclusive and welcoming in our language has somewhat spectacularly backfired and we now have multiple examples - such as the one you've included - where this has gone to a bit of an extreme and is generating equally extreme reactions and accusations. I personally feel quite angered that the word 'women/woman' has been altogether omitted from campaigns around cervical cancer for example, when inclusive language could have been included alongside the word 'women'.

Terms such as 'chestfeeding' instead of breastfeeding and 'utertus- havers', 'cervix-havers', 'menstruators' etc.... I find very dehumanising. I recognise the efforts to be inclusive but feel that it is important to recognise the group most common to all of this - women. Language is important and it is quite clear that breastfeeding is a suitable word as it is, there is no reason to change it. The child feeds from the breast. That's it. It's not a word that needs to be changed at all.

I feel that women are expressing their discomfort at this dehumanising language and the omittance of the word 'woman' and are getting a lot of grief back. It often feels to me that as women we are just being told to sit back, shut up and 'be kind'. Because that's what women are 'supposed' do...make way and be kind, even (especially?) if it inconveniences them.

What I would want to ask you I suppose, is what is it that makes you believe that transwomen are women and transmen are men. What do you think it is to be a man or a woman?
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Thank you for your lovely response. Glad you like the name haha! And oof. I really need to think about the answer to that, because on a surface level, I don't actually know. I need to really be introspective and get back to you on that one. But I don't have a simple answer, and I totally see your point. And I couldn't agree more about the "be kind" stuff - it's just a tactic to silence and I can't stand it. And I agree on the so-called inclusive language being SO dehumanising to women and that feeling is something I can't shake.
 
SqualorVictoria said:
Got it in one!! He is a sinister creep
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I made the mistake of actually reading his book years ago (have family with autism, like his two daughters). This was before his mega defender-of-trans persona online, mind. Had to put it down because he gave me the heebie-jeebies. He'd make an interesting thread on his own, TBH. Don't want to derail this one, but the "cis" men at the forefront of this movement are universally misogynists and creeps, Comerford is no exception.
 
CheshireLove said:
. I personally feel quite angered that the word 'women/woman' has been altogether omitted from campaigns around cervical cancer for example, when inclusive language could have been included alongside the word 'women'.
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Hello and upfront apology for my query which maybe deemed lazy but I'm aware you posters generally know your tit about this so I don't mind asking. Has there been the same gender situation with men and prostate/testicular cancer campaigns?
 
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