Israeli - Palestinian Conflict #20

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pommynoir said:
I don’t understand why those who constantly claim antisemitism are so upset by hurty words and symbols and not what is ACTUALLY happening in Gaza
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I don’t understand why you quoted me then unquoted me?

Do you claim that people upset about Islamophobia are so upset by hurty words and symbols and not what is ACTUALLY happening in eg Iran to Iranian women? Two issues can exist simultaneously, what is happening in Gaza doesn’t justify antisemitism.
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I don’t understand why you quoted me then unquoted me?

Do you claim that people upset about Islamophobia are so upset by hurty words and symbols and not what is ACTUALLY happening in eg Iran? Two issues can exist simultaneously, what is happening in Gaza doesn’t justify antisemitism.
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Clearly because I didn’t mean to quote you?

Your second point makes no sense. There are atrocities happening in Muslim countries all over the Middle East. Islamophobia is shown through violence all over the world and the actions of Israel are being live streamed. That does not compare to whatever is being called antisemetic today or a Palestinian shaped watermelon and no one will convince me otherwise 🤢🤢
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I don’t understand why you quoted me then unquoted me?

Do you claim that people upset about Islamophobia are so upset by hurty words and symbols and not what is ACTUALLY happening in eg Iran to Iranian women? Two issues can exist simultaneously, what is happening in Gaza doesn’t justify antisemitism.
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I'm upset at Israeli's regularly spitting on Christians and gleefully celebrating Israel and the IDF blowing up churches and killing Christians all over the Middle East, yet I don't see Christians conflating every little thing with Christianophobia!

have you come in here just to deflect from the horrendous atrocities Israel is committing? Or do you have an actual point? It's Israel's fault that antisemitism has risen so blame Israel; (and tbh many reports are not sincere or genuine if you start conflating antisemitism with free Palestine or a keffiyeh and a watermelon 🍉. That's the same as anyone saying we feel terrorised by a kippah/ yarmulke or the sight of the Star of David and the Israeli flag so ban that)
 
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As a man United fan I get really upset when City fans wear their football shirts and chant CITY CITY CITY

Anyway don’t want the antisemitism police derailing this thread when there’s a fkng genocide occurring and people are actually getting grotesquely physically damaged AND killed and starved and displaced
 
Yep let’s be real about things that hurt - like rockets, bullets, buildings collapsing on you, tanks driving over you, gang rape, starvation and sleeping in a tent during boiling hot summers and freezing cold winters.


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CabalofBolorneaise said:
And fair enough the t-shirt is an example of conflating it with antisemitism.

My response was to someone claiming the CST were saying free Palestine was antisemitic and the following implications the rise was all lies when they very clearly had the added context of “when aimed at Jews for being Jewish and Jewish places for being Jewish”. If you are targeting British Jews in order to yell Free Palestine, that is antisemitism. The same way targeting British Muslims to yell Stop Isis/Free Iranian Women would be Islamophobia and Tell Mama would be absolutely correct to include it in their figures.
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I grew up in a very diverse community because of my parents career choices and a lot of my friends as a child and as an adult are Muslims I don’t know one that doesn’t call out Saudi or Iran for their discrimination and they hate that women are not being given their rights it’s not good to ignore human rights abuses just because someone believes the same religion as you.
The problem is that Israel is like that frog in the pan of water and they don’t realise that the temperature is rising they’re so full of hate and revenge that they’re blinded as to what is happening outside and anyone that genuinely cares for the Israelis should be standing up against this Genocide because nothing good can come out of killing innocent women and children the pendulum is going to turn it’s just a question of when.
I don’t believe all Jews are to blame for what’s happening absolutely not but they really need to be speaking out against the heinous atrocities that are happening because two wrongs don’t make a right and not all Palestinians are Hamas.
 
"Keffiyeh terror scarf" is going up there with "terrorist journalist" for me.

America, the UK, Israel, etc. have really learned just how effective a tool of fear the word terrorist is. It's been fostered to immediately bring to mind an Arab Muslim man, despite the many terrorist attacks at the hands of white Christians.
It seems like we're now primed to label any violence from someone we think might be Arab as terrorism, while the same violent act by anyone else is simply an act of violence by an individual.

With this priming of fear and distrust, we're seeing anything linked to Palestine or Palestinians, whether cultural dress, the flag, or stand-ins for the flag to avoid censorship labeled terrorist or terrorist-sympathising.

Can't help but wonder how many of the people who see what's happening in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon as "necessary for Israel to defend itself" would be a lot less supportive if they weren't primed to be constantly fearful of Islamist terrorism, and noticed that they're being conditioned to view all Arabs as terrorists.
 
Lammington said:
"Keffiyeh terror scarf" is going up there with "terrorist journalist" for me.

America, the UK, Israel, etc. have really learned just how effective a tool of fear the word terrorist is. It's been fostered to immediately bring to mind an Arab Muslim man, despite the many terrorist attacks at the hands of white Christians.
It seems like we're now primed to label any violence from someone we think might be Arab as terrorism, while the same violent act by anyone else is simply an act of violence by an individual.

With this priming of fear and distrust, we're seeing anything linked to Palestine or Palestinians, whether cultural dress, the flag, or stand-ins for the flag to avoid censorship labeled terrorist or terrorist-sympathising.

Can't help but wonder how many of the people who see what's happening in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon as "necessary for Israel to defend itself" would be a lot less supportive if they weren't primed to be constantly fearful of Islamist terrorism, and noticed that they're being conditioned to view all Arabs as terrorists.
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The irony is that it’s the Zionists that brought terrorism to the Middle East by blowing up hotels and leaving bombs under bridges and in the marketplace.
Fast forward to 9/11 and guess who was all over that below is an interesting read it’s the exact playbook and terminology that we have been listening to since 7/10.
 
Charlotte1993 said:
The irony is that it’s the Zionists that brought terrorism to the Middle East by blowing up hotels and leaving bombs under bridges and in the marketplace.
Fast forward to 9/11 and guess who was all over that below is an interesting read it’s the exact playbook and terminology that we have been listening to since 7/10.
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Exactly, Israel is a terrorist state. There is no getting around that.

It's laughable that people are crying over a T-shirt when this is happening:


There is no comparison. Both are not equal. Why has human life become so cheap?? What kind of cognitive dissonance is required to come to a thread about a genocide of children and cry about words?
 
Regarding my other post about the EU and the illegality of the EU trading with Israel after the ICJ ruling I read one analyst say that 30% of Israel’s trade is with the EU so they do have a considerable influence because if they ceased trading with Israel it would have a huge impact on the Israeli economy at a time when they’re already vulnerable it would make it hard for them economically.
The press is not covering this or the double standards of the EU because they’ve been quick to act against other countries for less.
The fact that they are happy to use one lawyer that is saying what they want to hear while disregarding the advice from a long list of lawyers stating that they are not implementing the ICJ and that they are breaking their own laws is very convenient, the EU act like they have no influence over the Genocide in Gaza but they are not even doing the bare minimum by implementing their own policies not to mention the fact that they are literally supporting the West Bank settlers.
 
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IdeletedbutI'mbackagain said:

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Actions carry more weight than words. The mass murders of innocent civilians, the mass murders of children is what people should be upset about. If a picture on a T-shirt offends you and this doesn't. You are a sociopath. You are fucked in the head. Something went wrong with you somewhere somehow.

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Omg those poor babies they were not even given a chance to have a life and the last year of their lives was lived in hell without the chance to taste a watermelon 😢
 
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