Harry and Meghan #70 Two weddings, lots of lies, someone's telling porky pies
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Piers is not one to give up or back down. She hasn’t won. I think she’s in for a proper unapologetic bollocking on a platform that doesn’t only allow woke ideology and viewpoints.
mylifeisasillymoviefail
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Sorry, I misled you. This was from The Express.
Meghan and Harry did not get married three days before wedding
MEGHAN MARKLE and Prince Harry did not get married in a ceremony three days before their Royal Wedding instead, they had a private exchange of vows.www.express.co.uk
Just to ask they have the archbishop on tap to respond to a whim that they could have a ceremony for themselves? And they claim they were treated badly?
missmousey
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Someone put a muzzle on her and tell her we will only remove it if she can talk without shouting. What a fucking psycho. I couldn’t even listen to whatever shit was coming out of her mouth as I couldn’t get past the shouting.
No Drama Llama
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She's certainly not the best choice for promoting racial harmony.
kittenattack
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Look at all the trouble The Hag and its sidekick are causing. When is karma going to catch up with them? I am beyond fed up.
YeltsinsTank
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Sorry, I misled you. This was from The Express.
Meghan and Harry did not get married three days before wedding
MEGHAN MARKLE and Prince Harry did not get married in a ceremony three days before their Royal Wedding instead, they had a private exchange of vows.
Oh stop it! Not a wedding but a private exchange of vows?? Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining!!
NotDumbNotBlonde
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More from Bryony Gordon https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/l...Acq_Tue_4Dto7D20210309&utm_campaign=DM1346724Yes. This podcast also is included on Bryony Gordons audio book Eat, Drink Run that I've got. I thought I'd listen to it again yesterday while I tried to catch up with these threads but ... failed miserably on both counts.
Re her mental health issues she experienced. I wonder if these could have been brought on by the fact she was, perhaps for the first time, unable to do what she wanted or if it was brought on, if the moon bump is true , was brought on by incident where "something" seemed to happen under her dress and is on film.
I remember a few years ago talking with my mental health nurse and she told me a story of someone who had lived a life where everything well for them (had the looks, qualifications money, success etc) . Then this persons husband/wife left them and they completely broke down and struggled because this was the first time they had had to deal with something that didn't go their way. This person didn't know how to cope with all these negative feelings.
Perhaps because she didn't have the control she needs it caused her anxiety and mental health problems. I don't know...
Now I've not seen the full programme only snippets on TV but I have to say I just don't understand how she didn't get help, was refused . It doesn't make sense to me, I just can't believe it.
Anyway... I've just seen HM's response and I like it. Let's hope it calms things down. We'll see !
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Meghan told me about her problems – this is a storm that could have been avoided
As the debate sparked by the Sussexes now rages over who is in the right and who is in the wrong, could there have been another way forward?
BRYONY GORDON8 March 2021 • 7:50pm
Almost 18 months ago I sat on a sofa with a woman as she told me about the moment she had asked for help for her mental health, only to be denied it. I remember quite clearly the visceral feeling I had in my stomach as she explained to me what she had been told: and that was to suck it up, essentially. No can do. The feeling was visceral because, like many people who have experienced mental illness, I know what a colossal task it is to admit you are in trouble with your mental health. I also know what an absolute kick in the teeth it is to then be dismissed, shut down and denied that help.
As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days. I’d met Meghan on a number of occasions by this point, and enjoyed a chatty lunch with her where we talked about yoga and shared monkfish. Arrangements were made. I turned up in Windsor a couple of days later with a box of chocolate brownies and what I hoped was a friendly demeanour. Like Meghan, I love rescuing things.
Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018 CREDIT: Pool/Reuters
The most surprising thing about the various meetings I’ve had with Meghan and Harry over the years has always been how very normal they both are. That day, as she shared her mental health issues, things were no different. Mental health, I have found, is a great leveller – the problems you hear tend to be the same whether you are speaking to a duke, a duchess or a supermarket delivery driver. Meghan told me many of the things she told Oprah on Sunday night and expressed her dismay and bafflement over some of the responses to her. I felt desperately sad for her, and wanted to offer some sort of advice. I am afraid to say I could come up with nothing more constructive than: “Why don’t you jack it all in?”
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I had a hug with Archie. Harry gave me a lift to my Uber, which was waiting at the gates of Windsor Castle, and we spoke about their recent tour of South Africa. Harry spoke lovingly of the impression that his wife made on the young girls they met, and how she didn’t understand the impact she had. But we also discussed guinea pigs (I had just taken delivery of some for my daughter, and Harry fondly recalled that he and William had kept them as pets when they were children). This to me sums up the madness of life as a royal: one minute you are navigating your relationship with the world’s media, the next you are chatting about small furry pets.
Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health CREDIT: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph
It’s hard to underline how amenable and human I find the two of them, because every time I do this, I am met with eye rolls and pre-judgements that no amount of defending will ever be able to cut through. But my only job is to speak as I find, and what I have always found – from the moment I started working with Harry on the Heads Together campaign back in 2016, up until today – are two convivial, good-natured humans who are trying to do their best… however ill-timed that may look to a public who has perhaps learnt more about the Royal Family in the past 24 hours than in the past 24 years.
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Words such as ‘shock’ and ‘surprise’ have been bandied about by many. But for me – as someone who knows people on both sides of this story – my biggest feeling is sadness: sadness for Meghan and Harry, of course, but also for William and Catherine and a family who, for whatever reason, were unable to see a third way through this.
You don’t have to be on any particular side to see that this interview with Oprah is the mere tip of an iceberg that is loaded with endless pain. “Are you Team Sussex or Team Cambridge,” I was asked recently, by a royal documentary maker. To which my only real answer was: can I be Team Human?
Any woman is vulnerable when they are pregnant – let alone one who has moved across an ocean and given up a career to be with a man whose family you have to curtsey to. There was always going to be a clash of cultures here. Whether she should have been more prepared for the ‘job’ of a duchess can be argued about by experts in royal protocol, of which I am not. But it is clear that in Meghan, the Monarchy had an opportunity to move with the times – and for some reason, they decided to let it go. From the start, she was enthusiastic and energetic, buzzing with ideas about charitable causes that could be supported. Here was a woman who had considerable experience of public life, unlike others who had married into the Royal Family before her. But as she said in the Oprah interview, it was suggested that she stayed out of the limelight. “I was everywhere but nowhere,” she explained, before adding, poignantly, that all the drama seemed to be happening “just because I was breathing”.
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The sense of permanently being somehow faulty or wrong is one that those who have suffered mental illness will know well. To have admitted that there was a problem – one that Meghan describes as making her feel “ashamed” – was absolutely essential. To have then had that problem dismissed, as she says happened when she asked for help, makes me wince, in the same way I wince when someone in distress tells me about being ignored by their partner, mum, dad or GP. Sadly, it happens to people all the time, and Meghan helps everyone – the Royal Family included – by talking about it.
Today Meghan has risked being dismissed all over again. She knows that her critics will double down, and that they will probably switch from throwing stones to throwing rocks. But to her, that is not a reason to avoid talking about these things…in fact, it’s more of a reason to talk about them.
Within hours of the interview being aired, the usual suspects were pumping out their bullets, describing the interview as “disgraceful” and even going as far as to accuse Meghan of lying. I know this will upset Meghan, but I’m pretty sure it won’t surprise her any more. As the couple were told again and again when they asked for help: “This is just how it is.”
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It’s this that I find so disturbing. That in the year 2021, our grasp on mental health issues is still so weak that in many quarters, it is simply easier to belittle those who talk about having them than it is to feel any compassion for them. Much of the response to this interview is similar to the one thousands of people experience every day. Pipe down. Know your place. Shut up, stop complaining, and do what you’re told.
During the interview, Harry wondered out loud if we had learnt nothing. By the end of it, I think I had learnt this: that, as is almost always the case with life, there are no winners or losers here, just a bunch of gloriously messy humans trying to do their best. It’s the same for most people, regardless of money or occupation. I just wish that, like Meghan, more of us were able to ask for help… and that, unlike Meghan, more of us were able to get it. Until then, these “shocking” and “surprising” conversations aren’t going anywhere. And whether they are outside or inside the Royal Family, they will always need to be had.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/allison-pearson/
COMMENT
Meghan told me about her problems – this is a storm that could have been avoided
As the debate sparked by the Sussexes now rages over who is in the right and who is in the wrong, could there have been another way forward?
BRYONY GORDON8 March 2021 • 7:50pm
Almost 18 months ago I sat on a sofa with a woman as she told me about the moment she had asked for help for her mental health, only to be denied it. I remember quite clearly the visceral feeling I had in my stomach as she explained to me what she had been told: and that was to suck it up, essentially. No can do. The feeling was visceral because, like many people who have experienced mental illness, I know what a colossal task it is to admit you are in trouble with your mental health. I also know what an absolute kick in the teeth it is to then be dismissed, shut down and denied that help.
As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days. I’d met Meghan on a number of occasions by this point, and enjoyed a chatty lunch with her where we talked about yoga and shared monkfish. Arrangements were made. I turned up in Windsor a couple of days later with a box of chocolate brownies and what I hoped was a friendly demeanour. Like Meghan, I love rescuing things.
Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018 CREDIT: Pool/Reuters
The most surprising thing about the various meetings I’ve had with Meghan and Harry over the years has always been how very normal they both are. That day, as she shared her mental health issues, things were no different. Mental health, I have found, is a great leveller – the problems you hear tend to be the same whether you are speaking to a duke, a duchess or a supermarket delivery driver. Meghan told me many of the things she told Oprah on Sunday night and expressed her dismay and bafflement over some of the responses to her. I felt desperately sad for her, and wanted to offer some sort of advice. I am afraid to say I could come up with nothing more constructive than: “Why don’t you jack it all in?”
Advertisement
I had a hug with Archie. Harry gave me a lift to my Uber, which was waiting at the gates of Windsor Castle, and we spoke about their recent tour of South Africa. Harry spoke lovingly of the impression that his wife made on the young girls they met, and how she didn’t understand the impact she had. But we also discussed guinea pigs (I had just taken delivery of some for my daughter, and Harry fondly recalled that he and William had kept them as pets when they were children). This to me sums up the madness of life as a royal: one minute you are navigating your relationship with the world’s media, the next you are chatting about small furry pets.
Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health CREDIT: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph
It’s hard to underline how amenable and human I find the two of them, because every time I do this, I am met with eye rolls and pre-judgements that no amount of defending will ever be able to cut through. But my only job is to speak as I find, and what I have always found – from the moment I started working with Harry on the Heads Together campaign back in 2016, up until today – are two convivial, good-natured humans who are trying to do their best… however ill-timed that may look to a public who has perhaps learnt more about the Royal Family in the past 24 hours than in the past 24 years.
Advertisement
Words such as ‘shock’ and ‘surprise’ have been bandied about by many. But for me – as someone who knows people on both sides of this story – my biggest feeling is sadness: sadness for Meghan and Harry, of course, but also for William and Catherine and a family who, for whatever reason, were unable to see a third way through this.
You don’t have to be on any particular side to see that this interview with Oprah is the mere tip of an iceberg that is loaded with endless pain. “Are you Team Sussex or Team Cambridge,” I was asked recently, by a royal documentary maker. To which my only real answer was: can I be Team Human?
Any woman is vulnerable when they are pregnant – let alone one who has moved across an ocean and given up a career to be with a man whose family you have to curtsey to. There was always going to be a clash of cultures here. Whether she should have been more prepared for the ‘job’ of a duchess can be argued about by experts in royal protocol, of which I am not. But it is clear that in Meghan, the Monarchy had an opportunity to move with the times – and for some reason, they decided to let it go. From the start, she was enthusiastic and energetic, buzzing with ideas about charitable causes that could be supported. Here was a woman who had considerable experience of public life, unlike others who had married into the Royal Family before her. But as she said in the Oprah interview, it was suggested that she stayed out of the limelight. “I was everywhere but nowhere,” she explained, before adding, poignantly, that all the drama seemed to be happening “just because I was breathing”.
Advertisement
The sense of permanently being somehow faulty or wrong is one that those who have suffered mental illness will know well. To have admitted that there was a problem – one that Meghan describes as making her feel “ashamed” – was absolutely essential. To have then had that problem dismissed, as she says happened when she asked for help, makes me wince, in the same way I wince when someone in distress tells me about being ignored by their partner, mum, dad or GP. Sadly, it happens to people all the time, and Meghan helps everyone – the Royal Family included – by talking about it.
Today Meghan has risked being dismissed all over again. She knows that her critics will double down, and that they will probably switch from throwing stones to throwing rocks. But to her, that is not a reason to avoid talking about these things…in fact, it’s more of a reason to talk about them.
Within hours of the interview being aired, the usual suspects were pumping out their bullets, describing the interview as “disgraceful” and even going as far as to accuse Meghan of lying. I know this will upset Meghan, but I’m pretty sure it won’t surprise her any more. As the couple were told again and again when they asked for help: “This is just how it is.”
Advertisement
It’s this that I find so disturbing. That in the year 2021, our grasp on mental health issues is still so weak that in many quarters, it is simply easier to belittle those who talk about having them than it is to feel any compassion for them. Much of the response to this interview is similar to the one thousands of people experience every day. Pipe down. Know your place. Shut up, stop complaining, and do what you’re told.
During the interview, Harry wondered out loud if we had learnt nothing. By the end of it, I think I had learnt this: that, as is almost always the case with life, there are no winners or losers here, just a bunch of gloriously messy humans trying to do their best. It’s the same for most people, regardless of money or occupation. I just wish that, like Meghan, more of us were able to ask for help… and that, unlike Meghan, more of us were able to get it. Until then, these “shocking” and “surprising” conversations aren’t going anywhere. And whether they are outside or inside the Royal Family, they will always need to be had.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/allison-pearson/
JAR21
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Can't each of the papers print a paragraph each?
Libbie
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Mines gone down a treat thus far, lots of laughter! Only one wokey colleague bleating about trolls, I’ll just remove her, there cancelled, that’s better isn’t it!I’ve sent it out on my WhatsApp. Batten down the hatches
(Thanks for the pic)
coconochanel
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*BREAKING NEWS* according to the DM article the one who mentioned the colour of Archie's skin was.......Monty the queens corgi!
No Drama Llama
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Or someone elese will snap him up, I can't imagine he'll be short of offers.
missmousey
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Get Jeremy Clarkson in. He also couldn’t give two fucks about H&M the arseholes.Ooh maybe Eamonn!! He cannot stand the gruesome twosome. Though I am guessing Adil ray for a bit of diversity
I’ve always been in favour of getting rid of the monarchy, but the only chance of it ever happening is when the queen dies, they’ve all got too much privilege and power and the tabloids want to keep them cos they sell newspapers. I never understood why Harry used to be so popular years ago in the tabs, then I saw on a documentary that he used to buy them all drinks in the pub. Diana also used to invite editors of the papers to the palace, for a ‘you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours’ talk too.
NutellaFix
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The interview and subsequent fall out has provided a wonderful opportunity to clear out my Facebook/Instagram friends. The woke brigade can’t help but comment, or repost that ridiculous thing about “Meghan Markle won’t see that you don’t believe she was suicidal but your friends will...”
I’ve been suicidal, have struggled with my mental health for most of my adult life, I don’t pout about it. I get on with it as best I can and seek appropriate help. Maybe she did feel suicidal, and if she did, I wouldn’t wish that on anybody so I hope she can access the help sheso very clearly needs deserves. That being said, if reading the headlines and the media is a trigger, why for the love of everything holy would you do a tell all interview with Oprah and prove that actually you do read all the press about 
Nothing useful to add, just wanted to say how I feel like I’ve found my people on this thread
I’ve been suicidal, have struggled with my mental health for most of my adult life, I don’t pout about it. I get on with it as best I can and seek appropriate help. Maybe she did feel suicidal, and if she did, I wouldn’t wish that on anybody so I hope she can access the help she
Nothing useful to add, just wanted to say how I feel like I’ve found my people on this thread
She’s ironically feeding into the ‘angry black woman’ stereotype (not my words) which is doing her no favours at all. She’s coming across as a hysterical bully rather than an intelligent person capable of debate. Take a look at her, then at MP Kemi Badenoch.
This Dr Shola is your typical shouty ‘everyone’s racist, shut up if you’re white, shut up if you’re a man unless you’re black too, you’re all slave owners and bigots’. Playing the victim.
Badenoch is measured, intelligent and composed. She’s a successful person who happens to be a black woman, not a black woman who shouts and screams that everyone must listen to her rhetoric simply because she has these characteristics.
Cinnamon.girl
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Scrapie gloats all the time, and if he's got nothing to gloat about he tells gloating lies. I think the BP statement was fine and there may be more to come depending what happens next. They've left the door open for Hazzno and I bet they were very upset at how he was in the interview - maybe partly why William was upset? Minge has badly overplayed her hand and without meaning to has let the whole world see what sort of a person she is. Controlling, hostile and dangerous, with one hand on Hazzno's like a tiller steering him.I think it reads like a family scared about what more could be said
look at scabies gloating tweet already, her fans will love it.
In a video clip by @Scotch Mist earlier Hazzno has got his ratty teeth back - last time they looked like new dentures.
NineTails20
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So long as the powers that be remember to keep Clarkson and Morgan well away from each other. They got into a fistfight once, and Clarkson punched Piers so hard that he broke his finger.
No Drama Llama
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In a few years when Harry's fed up with her and she realises no ones interested in her and she's the new Fergie, she'll be begging Piers Morgan to appear on his Life Stories.
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