Family Fizz #8 another day, another nation. Kids still get no education

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Celestial Eclipse said:
I think it’s because they move so frequently. It makes me wonder, when they got Koa the bike for his birthday a few months ago, did they just.. leave it there? Take it?
They waste SO much money on physical objects when they already know they’re not going to stay in a single location long enough to get good use out of it


I agree. I personally don’t see Sienna as selfish, spoiled, or bratty by any means. She seems the most level-headed and seems to be able to keep herself busy without technology, she’s a bright soul with a great future ahead of her… as long as she isn’t restricted as much as Mia is
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I really hope sienna is more “aware” than mia if that makes sense? Like, I hope she grows up and realises her upbringing was wrong and leaves 😂 She may be wayyy behind educationally, but she seems smarter than Mia in many other ways. I feel like she’s a bit more in touch with reality somehow and wants to be “normal” whereas Mia is delusional and in far too deep

ZoeRae said:
I really hope sienna is more “aware” than mia if that makes sense? Like, I hope she grows up and realises her upbringing was wrong and leaves 😂 She may be wayyy behind educationally, but she seems smarter than Mia in many other ways. I feel like she’s a bit more in touch with reality somehow and wants to be “normal” whereas Mia is delusional and in far too deep
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Karma and Koa probably have no hope as this flashy life and no education is all they will ever know. At least with sienna she has been to school and seemed like she really enjoyed it and wanted to continue, but G & D clearly stooped her from continuing. I doubt it was ever sienna’s decision like it was with Mia. Mia was caught up in this YouTube life from the beginning and decided she didn’t need school but sienna has this love for learning and you can tell she would thrive being around kids her age and being in a learning environment
 
homesteader86 said:
It saddens me that people have such a negative view of homeschooling in general. I am grateful every day that I was homeschooled. I will never understand why people think you’re getting a proper education just because you go to a “normal” school. To be fair, just because we don’t see them homeschool, doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything. You don’t have to be in school 6+hr a day to get an education. I have a number of friends who homeschool their kids. One of them said her daughters are done in less than 3hrs. Another said some days her 5 kids are done quickly, others they take longer. The others say every day is different. There are so many wonderful benefits to homeschooling, especially when done properly. We really don’t see much about the girls homeschooling, as they focus their videos on other topics. Also, just because you’re in the school system doesn’t mean you’re being socialised, & just because you homeschooled doesn’t mean you’re not getting socialised. The girls absolutely need more friends, but they can take classes as well. They should get their kids involved in activities: Sienna wanted to learn to surf, take surfing lessons. She used to love gymnastics, get her back in a class. Mia used to enjoy rock climbing, again take a class. Try dance or something else for Karma. Again, we can’t say that they are not getting an education just because they don’t show their homeschooling. They tend to focus more one videos that will draw in views, & cheap laughs. Plus, maybe the girls don’t want to focus on school stuff. I am beyond grateful for the fact that I was homeschooled. I never took the SATs or ACTs that people in the US take. Once I finished my homeschooling I first went to Community College to complete my two year degree. Then I had a break before going back to complete a double major & double minor. It truly saddens me to see so many negative opinions on homeschooling. I personally hope it becomes the norm one day. When I have kids they will absolutely be homeschooled. I would never put my child in the school system, not ever.
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We home educate and my daughter attends other groups, also looking at a forest school again. She's gone from serious speech delay to talking non-stop..it's been the best thing for her
 
homesteader86 said:
It saddens me that people have such a negative view of homeschooling in general. I am grateful every day that I was homeschooled. I will never understand why people think you’re getting a proper education just because you go to a “normal” school. To be fair, just because we don’t see them homeschool, doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything. You don’t have to be in school 6+hr a day to get an education. I have a number of friends who homeschool their kids. One of them said her daughters are done in less than 3hrs. Another said some days her 5 kids are done quickly, others they take longer. The others say every day is different. There are so many wonderful benefits to homeschooling, especially when done properly. We really don’t see much about the girls homeschooling, as they focus their videos on other topics. Also, just because you’re in the school system doesn’t mean you’re being socialised, & just because you homeschooled doesn’t mean you’re not getting socialised. The girls absolutely need more friends, but they can take classes as well. They should get their kids involved in activities: Sienna wanted to learn to surf, take surfing lessons. She used to love gymnastics, get her back in a class. Mia used to enjoy rock climbing, again take a class. Try dance or something else for Karma. Again, we can’t say that they are not getting an education just because they don’t show their homeschooling. They tend to focus more one videos that will draw in views, & cheap laughs. Plus, maybe the girls don’t want to focus on school stuff. I am beyond grateful for the fact that I was homeschooled. I never took the SATs or ACTs that people in the US take. Once I finished my homeschooling I first went to Community College to complete my two year degree. Then I had a break before going back to complete a double major & double minor. It truly saddens me to see so many negative opinions on homeschooling. I personally hope it becomes the norm one day. When I have kids they will absolutely be homeschooled. I would never put my child in the school system, not ever.
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Yup, I definitely think school isn't the be all and end all. I went through mainstream high school and was bullied relentlessly for 5 years, that causes long lasting psychological damage for sure.
 
People need to stop getting so defensive on here about homeschooling. I haven’t seen one negative comment were someone has talked badly about homeschooling and if there has been a negative comment about it well there shouldn’t be anymore negativity about it cause many of us have said if you want to homeschool your kids that’s fine and if you were homeschooled that’s also fine but the point is here that Mia and Georgie have both said in videos that the kids don’t do schoolwork cause Georgie has said they should be allowed do whatever they want all day which is why they do unschooling. Sienna was so bored all the time cause she wasn’t getting a proper education and had no school work or homework to be doing to occupy her mind and give her a focus so then when she would she free time she would enjoy things more instead of being bored.
These kids don’t get an education in the way they should be and they way they deserve. Yet again I will repeat myself and say there is nothing wrong with homeschooling and I completely understand being in school isn’t always a positive experience for some people cause there can be bullying or just sometimes homeschooling can work better for some kids and that’s absolutely okay. Yeah it’s great for kids to be doing hobbies and trying new things out and I understand a lot of homeschooled kids do a lot of hobbies as part of their education and that’s fine there’s nothing wrong with that but it’s also important to be learning how to write properly and many other things. We don’t see their lives 24/7 that’s very true but going off of what Georgie and Darren have said they’ve said they do unschooling and Mia has even said they don’t need to do any school work or exams cause they don’t need it. Fair enough Mia is probably very financially stable from when channel but that doesn’t change the fact that the lack of education she’s received has made her very immature and not the smartest at times about things she should know at her age. I’m not blaming her though it’s just the YouTube life has made her this way.
Sienna loved school and loved being around other kids her age and she has the right to still have that choice. It’s great if you had an amazing homeschool experience or if you’re giving your kids a great homeschool experience but there’s been many times Sienna can’t even spell basic words and her writing for her age there was a time she said didn’t know how to write a certain letter and Mia was like ‘will I spell it out for you’ which shows not a lot of attention was given to Sienna for the things she needed the most attention for. She’s a smart kid though and I hope behind the scenes she has been able to learn stuff herself or they’ve been providing her with books or something so that she is gaining knowledge cause she was such a bright little kid it would be a shame if she wasn’t encouraged.
Some people need to calm down on here and accept the fact that not only is everyone not always going to agree with you but also we are speaking about things Famiy Fizz have said themselves so we are discussing those things on the threads and giving our opinions and we are coming from a good place in our hearts. There’s things about this family many of us don’t like or agree with. We don’t agree with kids being used so their parents can make money from them , we don’t agree with not giving your kids stability just cause you get bored living in once place for too long, we don’t agree with not letting your children form real long term friendships especially as they get older it’s so important as it can get harder to make friends and also you need your friends as you grow older to help you develop and learn to socialise. I know we don’t see what they’re doing 24/7 but we are just speaking about things they have said and things we have noticed about this family that are worrying. This family don’t even watch the news these kids aren’t aware of things going on in the world or learning about how life isn’t always ways living in an isolated magical bubble were you go shopping all the time and constantly do whatever you want. I really hope there’s some sort of proper learning and education going on for the kids sake because when they grow up there’s always that chance they will feel sad about their upbringing. If all those kids want to be youtubers when they grow up then that’s fine but what if they want a career in a different field but their parents failed to provide what was necessary for them to achieve that? There’s a much bigger picture here and I really hope they are getting the education they deserve behind the scenes.
I repeat if you are homeschooled , you were homeschooled or you’re homeschooling your kids that’s absolutely fine and if it works for your family that’s amazing of course but we can’t ignore the fact there’s something very off about this family and it’s not fair on the kids.
 
Nobody on here has spoken negatively about homeschooling. Whilst it may not be for everyone, we have all agreed that if it’s done right then it can be great!
However, family fizz don’t homeschool. They’ve said multiple times that they ‘unschool’ and just ‘let the children dictate their learning by following their passions’, which I think is funny considering they are doing the exact opposite. Look at Sienna, since she was very young she’s spoken about wanting to be a scientist, but her parents have taken that opportunity away from her by not sending her to school or homeschooling her properly. Darren and Georgie are dictating her future, and the other childrens too, by not giving them access to the opportunities that they deserve or need to progress in whatever career they want
 
homesteader86 said:
I do become defensive about homeschooling and always will. The way people talk absolutely comes off as though they are condemning homeschooling. When people say things like “proper education “, or not “getting educated the way they should be”, very much sounds like they are speaking negatively about homeschooling. People misunderstand the idea of unschooling. Too often they think it means no education, but that’s not true. Ellen Fisher practices homeschooling/unschooling. She doesn’t follow a state based curriculum, nor did my family. She has different tools & other curriculums, but it is different then what you see in school. Homeschooling is different for everyone, but it doesn’t always mean follow routines like you see in school. Children still learn in unschooling, they just don’t typically have a set up like people do in school. Unschooling focuses a lot on child let interests & incorporating them into learning. G & D should absolutely bring more opportunities for science for Sienna to learn. They were sponsored a while back for something schiene related, but never mentioned it again. Before people assume unschooling means nothing at all, I encourage people to research the topic. There are sources that give a better description of what it means. Even books on the topic. unschooling doesn’t mean not learning at all. Yes, D & G don’t appear to be doing much, maybe it’s time for them to do an updated video & even a discussion on the topic. Maybe this would help everyone’s confusion about what they do for the girls. In terms of Sienna’s spelling, she may just be a poor speller, there are many kids in school that have trouble spelling. My mother is not a great speller herself. In terms of them not watching the news, I don’t watch it either. I don’t even own a TV. I see things online, but I don’t watch the news at all. G & D failed on not looking into the weather before they left Costa Rica, but I don’t see any problem with the kids not watching the news. To be honest, many news sources are biased, and not even that honest. Trusting news, especially major worldwide news sources is a gamble. Local news sources are better. I encourage people to look into the sources available on unschooling & the different options for homeschooling. This idea of a “proper education “ comes off as though it is condemning non-traditional school. Too often people think even if you aren’t in the school system, you should have a similar system at home. However, that’s not how everyone chooses to educate their kids. Nor is it necessary. I don’t think parents should use their kids just to make money, it does seem that far too many Youtube families fall under that path. I agree, they need to build long term friendships, they really aren’t doing that by moving so much. They really do need to find a place to have a home where they stay permanently, then enjoy trips to other places for a short visit. That is a problem with G & D, but they don’t seem to want that for themselves. Which is a shame, they can travel, but need a place to call home. In terms of her GCSE’s I don’t have a problem with her not taking them. Didn’t Georgie take them in her 20’s. I am also not bothered by her wanting to work for herself, but I am bothered that she doesn’t seem to want to do anything other then Youtube. Youtube may not always be around, she definitely needs to find some sort of path for her life aside from YouTube. She has changed a lot since they started Youtube, even before Gran Canaria. Getting her involved in a sport/activity I think would be really good for her. She doesn’t seem to care though, which is unfortunate.
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I think people are more asking why they’re doing this. As well as whats going on with it. What’s G&Ds reasons? Because they don’t want their kids to be working for someone else and YouTube is a job enough.
do the kids get a say? No.
no one is asking that they stick to a routine curriculum just that they learn basic skills. Which they haven’t. People are talking about the benefits that a school would have to the kids considering what they’re lacking (socialisation) and their interests (science- which sienna is clearly not being taught)
They’re sacrificing any chance or wants their kids have to essentially make them work for the channel and be around to provide more content.
I agree with a fair bit of what you say- I don’t think they need a formal education as such, but I think a lot of the issues come down to what education they are getting and that they’re doing homeschooling ineffectively themselves.
 
homesteader86 said:
I do become defensive about homeschooling and always will. The way people talk absolutely comes off as though they are condemning homeschooling. When people say things like “proper education “, or not “getting educated the way they should be”, very much sounds like they are speaking negatively about homeschooling. People misunderstand the idea of unschooling. Too often they think it means no education, but that’s not true. Ellen Fisher practices homeschooling/unschooling. She doesn’t follow a state based curriculum, nor did my family. She has different tools & other curriculums, but it is different then what you see in school. Homeschooling is different for everyone, but it doesn’t always mean follow routines like you see in school. Children still learn in unschooling, they just don’t typically have a set up like people do in school. Unschooling focuses a lot on child let interests & incorporating them into learning. G & D should absolutely bring more opportunities for science for Sienna to learn. They were sponsored a while back for something schiene related, but never mentioned it again. Before people assume unschooling means nothing at all, I encourage people to research the topic. There are sources that give a better description of what it means. Even books on the topic. unschooling doesn’t mean not learning at all. Yes, D & G don’t appear to be doing much, maybe it’s time for them to do an updated video & even a discussion on the topic. Maybe this would help everyone’s confusion about what they do for the girls. In terms of Sienna’s spelling, she may just be a poor speller, there are many kids in school that have trouble spelling. My mother is not a great speller herself. In terms of them not watching the news, I don’t watch it either. I don’t even own a TV. I see things online, but I don’t watch the news at all. G & D failed on not looking into the weather before they left Costa Rica, but I don’t see any problem with the kids not watching the news. To be honest, many news sources are biased, and not even that honest. Trusting news, especially major worldwide news sources is a gamble. Local news sources are better. I encourage people to look into the sources available on unschooling & the different options for homeschooling. This idea of a “proper education “ comes off as though it is condemning non-traditional school. Too often people think even if you aren’t in the school system, you should have a similar system at home. However, that’s not how everyone chooses to educate their kids. Nor is it necessary. I don’t think parents should use their kids just to make money, it does seem that far too many Youtube families fall under that path. I agree, they need to build long term friendships, they really aren’t doing that by moving so much. They really do need to find a place to have a home where they stay permanently, then enjoy trips to other places for a short visit. That is a problem with G & D, but they don’t seem to want that for themselves. Which is a shame, they can travel, but need a place to call home. In terms of her GCSE’s I don’t have a problem with her not taking them. Didn’t Georgie take them in her 20’s. I am also not bothered by her wanting to work for herself, but I am bothered that she doesn’t seem to want to do anything other then Youtube. Youtube may not always be around, she definitely needs to find some sort of path for her life aside from YouTube. She has changed a lot since they started Youtube, even before Gran Canaria. Getting her involved in a sport/activity I think would be really good for her. She doesn’t seem to care though, which is unfortunate.
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We say this... because they are not being properly educated. You can be in school and not be properly educated. You can be home schooled and not be properly educated. I like to think we're all vaguely intelligent enough to know this is a nuanced conversation. I went to 6 schools, and was very nearly homeschooled due to lack of school places. Some of those schools were crap, some were absolute godsends. Unschooling CAN be a big old excuse to not engage your children. As can sending them to school.

Mia will need qualifications to get a 'real' job or to go to university. This cannot be argued. One of my friends has just battled to get his GCSE English sorted. He's 25, a father of one. He went to mainstream school and didn't get the attention he needed. (learning difficulties) But his parents also didn't fight for him to get the attention from school/teachers/tutors that he needed. It's been hell for him. Mia hasn't even had the opportunity to take her GCSEs, never mind getting extra qualifications like Swimming Instructing or Rock Climbing or Gym Instructing. Qualifications that would aid her in life, not just getting a job. You may not have a problem with Mia not sitting her exams, but I am absolutely certain that when the youtube fame fades, Mia herself will have some issues with it. A young woman, who has an empty CV. (bar writing a book and learning Spanish... which let's be honest, all school children have written stories and attempted to learn a language, they just didn't have the addition of youtube fame to get it published.) The world is very competitive, and she cannot live life just travelling around the world with Mummy and Stepdad, with no prospects. When she realises the level that people her age are working at, emotionally, socially and academically... I have a feeling she will be rather pissed off.
 
Never once have I or anyone said that homeschooling isn’t good or doesn’t give you a proper education. When I say proper education I am talking about learning things that are important for any human being to know and that every human being has the right to know. These kids in family fizz don’t receive the education they deserve so let’s not pretend that they do when they themselves have said they do unschooling , Mia has said they don’t do schoolwork or exams , Mias friends in Costa Rica said on a live she doesn’t do any schoolwork so she’s bored all day and just would hang around. Proper education includes going to a school or being homeschooled correctly. Never once have I bad mouthed homeschool or said homeschooling doesn’t give someone a good education. I’ve seen kids who are homeschooled the right way and it being amazing for them therefore I support homeschool just as much as I do with a child attending a school. I’ve said it many times that if you were homeschooled and loved it that’s absolutely amazing or if you are homeschooling your kids that’s also amazing cause both ways are a proper education which means kids are learning and will be able to go out into the world one day and hopefully have the qualifications they need to pursue the career they want.
Using the angry emoji reaction on my previous post and getting super defensive for no reason when nobody has said anything bad is just childish. I personally don’t agree with unschooling in family fizz’s case cause I don’t think it’s fair on the kids but I fully support attending a school or homeschooling or maybe an alternative school or whatever works best for the child. I really hope the kids in family fizz are getting more of an education so that in the future they’ll have something to fall back on if they don’t want to be youtubers or influencers and they want a career in a different field were they’ll need qualifications.
Sometimes with the way some people get some defensive on here for no reason makes me think they’re Darren or Georgie behind an account. There’s literally no need for this all to be an argument. Life isn’t always about doing whatever you want all day and that’s why kids need an education whether that’s at home or at school but either way it’s so important for them and they have the right to receive it.
If you did unschooling and it worked for you fair enough that’s fine of course but I am speaking about Family Fizz exploring their kids on YouTube to make money and making the kids believe an education isn’t important which is just wrong. We all have our own opinions at the end of the day.
 
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I personally believe that if you went to school, you probably will put your kids in school and if you were homeschooled you probably think that's better. Both have benefits. As a public school cut myself I'll consider public school to be beneficial and I will send my kids there but you do you.

My issues with this family like others have mentioned is that they literally don't seem to care about education, which I completely disagree with. They also see no benefit in the public school environment which I disagree with as well. If you haven't attended public school, you wouldn't understand that it's a community. Yes, people have bad experiences but that could happen anywhere.
In my opinion they just want to be able to pick up and leave whenever they want and if they put their kids in school then the kids will not want to leave their friends or the consistency of their lives. Better to just make them think that school is nothing special so they can keep living their "Airbnb mansions" lifestyle. They are not doing this for the benefit of the kids, they're doing it for themselves.
 
everyone has made such good points and I do think these conversations are so important and it’s good to hear every side of the story. I just don’t think it needs to be turned into an argument because at the end of the day, our opinions aren’t going to change. Just to add to what’s been said, I think one of the main reasons that Darren and Georgie don’t send the kids to school is because they don’t want them to be able to form opinions of their own, they want them to live this ‘hippie’, free spirit lifestyle and if the kids were sent to school, they’d be learning things that may cause them to disagree with their parents so I do think there is a huge element of control there. D & G have said that they don’t watch the news, so the kids are super sheltered from what’s going on in the world. Not allowing them to learn about these things is going to be a huge shock for Mia when she moves out…
 
I wonder for how long Mia will keep in touch with her friends back in Costa Rica, since she haven’t kept up with her friends back in England before they started to move around so much. I do hope she will stay in long term contact with them as she really needs friends to talk to and not just her parents and her siblings. Don’t get me wrong here, I myself am also very close to my family and I love to talk to them but I also need my friends to talk to as Mia also would need. I understand Mia was fairly young back then and might not understand how to keep contact for so long without meeting. But I really enjoyed her old videos with her former friends from England. I actually do hope she can reconnect with them now that she is back there.

I am also very happy that G&D actually kept in contact with Joe Joe and freedom family so Sienna could have long term friend. I actually have wondered why they stopped talking to Jon and Cathrine all of a sudden as well since they also have a kid now.
 
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I wonder for how long Mia will keep in touch with her friends back in Costa Rica, since she haven’t kept up with her friends back in England before they started to move around so much. I do hope she will stay in long term contact with them as she really needs friends to talk to and not just her parents and her siblings. Don’t get me wrong here, I myself am also very close to my family and I love to talk to them but I also need my friends to talk to as Mia also would need. I understand Mia was fairly young back then and might not understand how to keep contact for so long without meeting. But I really enjoyed her old videos with her former friends from England. I actually do hope she can reconnect with them now that she is back there.

I am also very happy that G&D actually kept in contact with Joe Joe and freedom family so Sienna could have long term friend. I actually have wondered why they stopped talking to Jon and Cathrine all of a sudden as well since they also have a kid now.
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I hope she keeps in contact with her friends she made it Costa Rica, it’s hard to say for certain. It appeared as though she made some really good friendships, it would be disappointing for her not to at least keep in touch with the friends she made.
 
selestia said:
I wonder for how long Mia will keep in touch with her friends back in Costa Rica, since she haven’t kept up with her friends back in England before they started to move around so much. I do hope she will stay in long term contact with them as she really needs friends to talk to and not just her parents and her siblings. Don’t get me wrong here, I myself am also very close to my family and I love to talk to them but I also need my friends to talk to as Mia also would need. I understand Mia was fairly young back then and might not understand how to keep contact for so long without meeting. But I really enjoyed her old videos with her former friends from England. I actually do hope she can reconnect with them now that she is back there.

I am also very happy that G&D actually kept in contact with Joe Joe and freedom family so Sienna could have long term friend. I actually have wondered why they stopped talking to Jon and Cathrine all of a sudden as well since they also have a kid now.
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I think they stopped talking to Jon and Catherine because they stopped being vegan. Mia and Georgie still follow Catherine but none of them follow Jon
 
lokencrepis said:
We say this... because they are not being properly educated. You can be in school and not be properly educated. You can be home schooled and not be properly educated. I like to think we're all vaguely intelligent enough to know this is a nuanced conversation. I went to 6 schools, and was very nearly homeschooled due to lack of school places. Some of those schools were crap, some were absolute godsends. Unschooling CAN be a big old excuse to not engage your children. As can sending them to school.

Mia will need qualifications to get a 'real' job or to go to university. This cannot be argued. One of my friends has just battled to get his GCSE English sorted. He's 25, a father of one. He went to mainstream school and didn't get the attention he needed. (learning difficulties) But his parents also didn't fight for him to get the attention from school/teachers/tutors that he needed. It's been hell for him. Mia hasn't even had the opportunity to take her GCSEs, never mind getting extra qualifications like Swimming Instructing or Rock Climbing or Gym Instructing. Qualifications that would aid her in life, not just getting a job. You may not have a problem with Mia not sitting her exams, but I am absolutely certain that when the youtube fame fades, Mia herself will have some issues with it. A young woman, who has an empty CV. (bar writing a book and learning Spanish... which let's be honest, all school children have written stories and attempted to learn a language, they just didn't have the addition of youtube fame to get it published.) The world is very competitive, and she cannot live life just travelling around the world with Mummy and Stepdad, with no prospects. When she realises the level that people her age are working at, emotionally, socially and academically... I have a feeling she will be rather pissed off.
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Can I add to this and say my Brother who was very sick and missed lots of school due to his health actually had to retake his English language GCSE and get a pass in order to get a promotion in his job as it was a requirement. I don't recall anyone saying home education is bad, I think when done properly it's a wonderful thing.
 
Watching the present opening from harriette, koa bless him seemed happy but karma seemed like she wasnt too interested as such, like she took them out the bag and just pit them on the sofa. Then she asks if she has anymore presents 😒😔. Think these kids are too used to presents but also getting rid of them shortly after that they dont know how to really respond to them. Im sure they will all be discarded when they move again
 
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