CastroKahloLilith
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Jaimi's Mum Mandy had them
It wasn't for a while, literally a few days
Dr Jessica Taylor
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lolaclare
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Ah so maybe saying they 'settled' there was a bit of an exaggeration. That implies a lot longer than a few days.
It definitely does!
CuriousTherapyCat
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I didn’t read it that way, I read it more like “we travelled around before finally settling here,” unspecified time, could be an hour.
although can see how it could be interpreted as more.
witchofwestbyfleet
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People were going hard on the Mumsnet thread with "why does it matter what happened with her dogs / her GCSEs / the black pearl, this is just gossip and trivialities, you have no real argument." I've seen her defenders on Twitter say the same. It matters because she uses this to support her image that she's unfairly discredited, won't be believed no matter what she says, so of course it follows that her ground-breaking research isn't believed either
nothanksbabes
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So basically saying, "what does it matter to someone's integrity if they lie constantly?"
If they can't identify the answer to that question then I dunno what else to say
AccidentalAcademic
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To be honest I don't really care about where she gets her jewellery or her dogs, except insofar as they shed light on her unprofessional and unethical behaviour (buying a puppy from a breeder and then publicly declaring this to be a "rescue" is relevant because it mirrors the way she distorts things in her professional life). The fact that she will react to minor things but not major points of concern is very telling for the reasons you give - by ignoring the latter and drawing people's attention to relatively inconsequential points instead, she's trying to create the impression that all critique is trivial and driven by personal animus towards her. She heaped further trauma on vulnerable women by not adhering to the professional standards expected of a research psychologist, and when this was pointed out, she doubled down and told repeated contradictory lies. That's the bottom line, however much she tries to wiggle away from it.
witchofwestbyfleet
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Yeah, basically. She acts deliberately provocative, says things that sound unlikely and then it's all "why are you questioning me over something so small and inconsequential? How does my personal life reflect on my work?" Because it establishes she has a pattern of being economical with the truth, that's why
She is posting about the new umbrella study about the chemical imbalance theory about depression. She seems to be presenting it as definitive proof that depression isn't caused by chemicals but by stressful life events, therefore she is right. She is so black and white, it is concerning. Also note her use of 'we' when talking about other professors and doctors and how she had access to the embargoed study. She had nothing to do with it. She is not a medical professional.
alphaspagbol
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Yes. Saw that so smug. It’s more nuanced than that. Interesting thread I just read. Can’t claim to understand most of it but ….
Her anti-meds crusade infuriates me - she’s not a medical Dr; who is she to say what treatment is best for people she doesn’t even know?
AD’s aren’t for everyone but personally, they helped me. They weren’t a panacea and they didn’t take away all my problems - I think you have to be realistic about that - but they helped me to function and to continue to fulfil my duties to my family and my employer.
I’m not taking them at the moment but wouldn’t hesitate to do so again if necessary. Oh and I suffered from anxiety - I wasn’t traumatised!
AD’s aren’t for everyone but personally, they helped me. They weren’t a panacea and they didn’t take away all my problems - I think you have to be realistic about that - but they helped me to function and to continue to fulfil my duties to my family and my employer.
I’m not taking them at the moment but wouldn’t hesitate to do so again if necessary. Oh and I suffered from anxiety - I wasn’t traumatised!
nothanksbabes
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She also never suggests any meaningful alternatives. I have complex PTSD from trauma, I've had a tit load of "trauma informed" therapy with a great therapist (at great bloody expense) and some EMDR and while both changed my life, it wasn't the cure and I still sometimes really struggle with my mental health. When it gets a bit much, when it's affecting my ability to work or enjoy life, I'll take SSRIs for a bit to take the edge off, weighing up the benefits of taking them with some of the (quite depressing) side effects.
I can tell her and everyone else for free, knowing you're ill because of trauma, and talking about it and working through it isn't a magical cure. Symptoms need to be managed and for many of us it's probably going to be lifelong in one way or another. In many ways, me identifying with my "trauma" made everything worse because it started to become my personality.
I doubt my self image will ever fully recover, but there are ways to find joy and happiness in life and being berated by a narc gobshite "Dr" about using medication to cope isn't one of them
I can tell her and everyone else for free, knowing you're ill because of trauma, and talking about it and working through it isn't a magical cure. Symptoms need to be managed and for many of us it's probably going to be lifelong in one way or another. In many ways, me identifying with my "trauma" made everything worse because it started to become my personality.
I doubt my self image will ever fully recover, but there are ways to find joy and happiness in life and being berated by a narc gobshite "Dr" about using medication to cope isn't one of them
Blue bunny
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Has anyone read and understood the report? The way I interpreted it, based on an interview with the person that wrote it, was that they concluded that the evidence of the low serotonin theory wasn't conclusive and didn't stand up.
But Jessica saying it is 'debunked' and 'that there is no link', but isn't the paper saying there is no 'proven link'? Because as she points out you can't measure serotonin, so surely you can't prove it 100% either way.
If anyone can explain more, I'd appreciate it.
BTW, I'm 100% for a trauma informed approach and believe depression is often caused by trauma. I just see this as Jessica twisting things to fit her agenda, unless I'm wrong, of course.
But Jessica saying it is 'debunked' and 'that there is no link', but isn't the paper saying there is no 'proven link'? Because as she points out you can't measure serotonin, so surely you can't prove it 100% either way.
If anyone can explain more, I'd appreciate it.
BTW, I'm 100% for a trauma informed approach and believe depression is often caused by trauma. I just see this as Jessica twisting things to fit her agenda, unless I'm wrong, of course.
Boogs
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I’m very pro trauma informed work but it doesn’t feel like this is what this at all. This is someone on a soapbox insisting that their opinion is right, refusing to consider alternative ideas. She has a big following and this will be dangerous for lots of vulnerable people. I’m honestly quite worried about how far she is going to go and the influence that she has over lots.
I've read it.
Either she genuinely has a limited understanding about the results so therefore shouldn't be making pronouncements that can influence the health of her 'fanbase' OR
She DOES understand it but is twisting it to fit her agenda which is horrific, no way trauma-informed and makes her even more dangerous.
Both conclusions are bad.
littlesunflower
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She most likely doesn’t understand. She has form for incorrectly summarising findings from previous research.
Anonymous One
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Yes the report categorically cannot conclusively debunk serotonin theory. However, it’s been very obvious for a very long time that this would be a massive oversimplification of depression anyway. Most mental illnesses have both biopsychosocial causes and, ideally, biopsychosocial treatments.
There are many neurotransmitters implicated in depression, trauma and other psychological factors are implicated in depression and social factors also have a role. These causes are not mutually exclusive and are not all present in all people.
Most people with mild depression probably don’t need antidepressants and they’re almost definitely overused (partially due to poor availability of psychological treatments). However, they work (on many different chemicals) and save lives in many people who need them.
AccidentalAcademic
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This. Also, even if depression isn't caused by low serotonin, it doesn't logically follow that an SSRI couldn't help. Gabapentin is an anticonvulsant medication used to treat epilepsy, but it's also effective in pain management for certain conditions, like shingles. This doesn't mean that shingles are actually caused by epileptic seizures...
Blue bunny
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I was hoping I'd got it wrong as in her video she says something like "if you're on antidepressants you do not have a serotonin imbalance". Which may/may not be true (no way to ever know), she neglects to mention any other possible reason than trauma for depression, she tells people they shouldn't be on antidepressants and that people could take their GP to court for having done it.
It's half an hour of encouraging people to stop their medication, even stating that people have committed suicide on them. The scare mongering she does is so extreme, I could see mote vulnerable people just stopping their meds cold turkey, which could have dangerous side effects.
It's half an hour of encouraging people to stop their medication, even stating that people have committed suicide on them. The scare mongering she does is so extreme, I could see mote vulnerable people just stopping their meds cold turkey, which could have dangerous side effects.
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