Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #114

[Cupcakemum]

Another thing that I’ve noticed about the antivaxxers that I personally know is that they are so worried about an adverse reaction to the Covid vaccine but they’re quite happy to drink alcohol and have plastic surgery and Botox and fillers etc.

Lovely sweeping statement there!
Did it ever occur to you that adverse reactions are happening?

Did it ever occur to you that someone not wanting this particular vaccine isn't anti vaxx?

While your banging on about unvaxxed people and children who have suffered from covid, that vaccinated people have also suffered terribly from covid even after vaccination?

 

[Bunnyintheheadlights]

@Dollenganger Unvaxxed here my whole family had covid, nothing serious.
I haven't seen a doctor in 16 years, had my 3 children by at home. I don't drink or smoke, don't have botox or plastic surgery I'm 48 so a bit old to go clubbing, don't dine out, online shop for the basics as we grow our own veg and fruit, don't have a TV . I had all my vacs , but never had the flu one. My choice not to have the covid jab is because I don't think it's healthy to have so many jabs in a short length of time.
Btw covid effected my family through mental health, my teenage daughter tried to kill herself because of lock down so please don't tar every unvaxxed person as an anti vaxxer or a CT

 

[Dollenganger]

Lovely sweeping statement there!
Did it ever occur to you that adverse reactions are happening?

Did it ever occur to you that someone not wanting this particular vaccine isn't anti vaxx?

While your banging on about unvaxxed people and children who have suffered from covid, that vaccinated people have also suffered terribly from covid even after vaccination?

I did say that I was talking about the antivaxxers I know. And yes I do accept that vaccine damage can happen

@Dollenganger Unvaxxed here my whole family had covid, nothing serious.
I haven't seen a doctor in 16 years, had my 3 children by at home. I don't drink or smoke, don't have botox or plastic surgery I'm 48 so a bit old to go clubbing, don't dine out, online shop for the basics as we grow our own veg and fruit, don't have a TV . I had all my vacs , but never had the flu one. My choice not to have the covid jab is because I don't think it's healthy to have so many jabs in a short length of time.
Btw covid effected my family through mental health, my teenage daughter tried to kill herself because of lock down so please don't tar every unvaxxed person as an anti vaxxer or a CT

I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she is feeling better now. The lockdowns have affected peoples mental health really badly, I agree. I have an Autistic daughter with high care needs and she has really suffered too.

Also, I do understand that some people avoid all medical interventions. My own reasoning around having the vaccine involved the fact that I have had a lot of cosmetic procedures etc and don’t question what’s in them.

I used to worry about vaccines when my oldest children were little because it was the height of the MMR scare. I didn’t want to get them done. My hesitation went on and on until my (now 18 year old) was old enough to tell me that she wasn’t happy with me for making that decision and she wanted the vaccine. Looking back, my mental health was poor in those days. I’m not saying that people who don’t want to get vaccinated have poor mental health. But it’s also not really true that people who are pro-vaccination are ‘sheep’ who can’t think for themselves. I’ve gone full circle with different life experiences and now having 4 children.

I personally feel that scientific approaches improve all the time and past mistakes are learned from.

 

[Bunnyintheheadlights]

I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she is feeling better now. The lockdowns have affected peoples mental health really badly, I agree. I have an Autistic daughter with high care needs and she has really suffered too.
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Unfortunately it's going to be a long journey, but she's getting better, thank you. Ironically my eldest son is Autistic and thought that lockdown was the greatest thing ever, didn't have to interact with people which made him extremely happy.

 

[Dollenganger]

I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she is feeling better now. The lockdowns have affected peoples mental health really badly, I agree. I have an Autistic daughter with high care needs and she has really suffered too.

Unfortunately it's going to be a long journey, but she's getting better, thank you. Ironically my eldest son is Autistic and thought that lockdown was the greatest thing ever, didn't have to interact with people which made him extremely happy.
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I think I’m like your son. Actually, the only reason I’ve not caught Covid yet is probably because I don’t socialise much. My daughter was badly affected because she lives in a residential provision in another city and there were therefore times that I couldn’t visit her.

 

[Cupcakemum]

I did say that I was talking about the antivaxxers I know. And yes I do accept that vaccine damage can happen

That doesn't make them anti vaxx. Vaccine hesitant maybe, but not anti vax.

Everyone knows about the damage that too much alcohol will do. Unless you have lots of friends who are actually alcoholics, then I think they'll all be ok there.

As for plastic surgery and cosmetic surgery - the process you have to go through with someone reputable is far more than the half arsed questions that the general public got asked on their first vaccine - and in most cases their second and third doses

 

[Dollenganger]

That doesn't make them anti vaxx. Vaccine hesitant maybe, but not anti vax.

Everyone knows about the damage that too much alcohol will do. Unless you have lots of friends who are actually alcoholics, then I think they'll all be ok there.

As for plastic surgery and cosmetic surgery - the process you have to go through with someone reputable is far more than the half arsed questions that the general public got asked on their first vaccine - and in most cases their second and third doses

The ones I know are into QAnon. I did say people I know, not anyone on this thread. Also, if you’re saying that there should be more attempt to identify people who might have a bad reaction to a vaccine then I certainly don’t disagree with you there at all. That’s a reasonable thing that should happen.

I personally feel that the vaccine appears to be safe for the majority. I hate the government we have and I think it’s the worst in my lifetime and I don’t think they care about ordinary people. But it’s not in their interests for most of us to become vaccine damaged. I would think that over time, a vaccine would hopefully be developed that we only need once a year. Or Covid could fizzle out (we can always hope).

Also, I think we need to bear in mind that some of the videos of people supposedly having extreme reactions to the Covid vaccine have been proven to be fake. Of course some people will have had genuine reactions but it’s always worth knowing that people can make a lot of money from viral videos on YouTube etc…

 

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[Poddular]

I did think for a while that we were playing "Lazy, stereotypical,anti vaxxer word Bingo" this afternoon it was fooking hilarious until we suddenly see a human behind the government/media made divide.
Just a side note I don't need YouTube or whatever shite to tell me about bad reactions to the vaccine ,my own mother called an ambulance and said she would rather die than have another
Her friend was the same. 6 out of 8 of my colleagues have a bad but less severe reaction and obviously it's just coincidence/anecdotal but just this week one has been put on blood thinners and one has got to have a ECG.

 

[Kim Mild]

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I personally feel that scientific approaches improve all the time and past mistakes are learned from.
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This is an excellent point. Science is often a work in progress, rather than an end result.

If vaccines against covid are going to be ongoing, they will be tweaked for the latest variation and, the vaccines may improve vastly to the ones people were initially offered in 2021.

It does seem like there are two camps of people who seem to spend all their time arguing about the vaccine . There are the ones who are declining the vaccine and are suspicious of it . Then there are those who can see no fault with it , and seem to trust the science blindly.

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

Then there is the camp that don’t give a tit either way - knows covid is real, knows there is perhaps a risk with the vaccine, however, thinks well duck it I’ve put enough crap in my body any way over the years, caught covid several times also, and really really really wants to go on holiday this year
So bored of the vaccination argument now, let people make their own choices! Also lets accept that maybe just maybe this vaccine isn’t all that. But equally, maybe it is! NONE of us know!!

 

[Lisdiz]

I haven’t said anything offensive. What do you think should have been done to address the problem of the virus?

We should have locked down on the first instance.
all bills and debts could have been put on hold, including rent and mortgages.
utilities could have been free for that time frame too.
viichers could have been issues for shopping, like a rationing, to be spent on Food. That would have cost us less then furlough.
when we realised the likely impact of the virus we could have adjust things as necessary.

vaccination of the vulnerable and those that WANT it rather then forcing it on healthy people who don’t. No need for a covid pass, it doesn’t work, data from other countries show that.

I’m not telling anyone to get the vaccine but I find it hard to understand why you think that everything should be your way if you choose to ignore medical advice.

Are you serious? Why shouldn’t our FREEDOMS which existed before covid remain the same? Especially when people who are vaccinated are still spreading the virus, catching the circus and being hospitalised.

 

[fireflies]

Sadly another child death reported today thats 128 since last march not the 6 the telegraph stated for just 1st wave of the pandemic.
Each varient seems be leading go higher cases in under 18s and hospital admissions highest ever for kids since pandemic began.
Those who have been infected with delta summer/ autumn are now catching it for 2nd time.
550 kids were admitted to hospital xmas week.
More the last 7days



They say only a small number if kids but small % large number sadly means more infected, some in hospital. Some with long covid ONS predicts 115k children under 18s with long covid since pandemic began.
Jcvi refuse vaccinate 5-11 year old.
No masks or testing in primary.
Only 50% of 12 to 15 have had even 1 jab its been very hard to book in under 16s.
5-11 vunerable announced dec but won't happend until end of January.
Dfe say all kids must be in school.
They haven't provided vall the co2 monitors they promised.
They won't provide measly air infiltration systems 7000 for over 100k school do 1 in 4 schools may get 1 if they lucky.
Nearky every other country has vaccinated kids and Improved ventilation.



Now the idiots want to get rid of free lft tests its not like the pandemic has ended ir new varients won't come.

Meet deltatron! They all sounds like transformers

Coronavirus: New variant discovered in Cyprus (updated) | Cyprus Mail

We are proud of our scientists, Health Minister Michalis Hadjipantelas said on Saturday after the discovery of a new variant by Cypriot scientists was announced. Dr Leontios Kostrikis, who leads the team of scientists working at the University of Cyprus’ biotechnology and molecular virology lab...

cyprus-mail.com

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Meet deltatron! They all sounds like transformers

Coronavirus: New variant discovered in Cyprus (updated) | Cyprus Mail

We are proud of our scientists, Health Minister Michalis Hadjipantelas said on Saturday after the discovery of a new variant by Cypriot scientists was announced. Dr Leontios Kostrikis, who leads the team of scientists working at the University of Cyprus’ biotechnology and molecular virology lab...

cyprus-mail.com

Great! As well as having the highest case rate per capita in the world…a new variant is found too.

 

[Lisdiz]

But the thing is, it’s not only obese people who get really ill with Covid. My friend who is currently really ill and could end up in hospital is a gym freak with a muscular physique and very low body fat. He has the worst case of Covid that I’ve known. I luckily don’t know anyone who died. But that doesn’t mean I think it doesn’t happen!

The problem of obesity is a big thing in the UK, I don’t disagree with that at all. Obesity causes health problems across the board and makes people more susceptible to any number of illnesses and death but it’s a very complex problem both here and in the US. It can’t be solved overnight.

Is he unvaxxed? I have also know many fit people who have had it worse as well as the overweight. I wonder if it’s to do with the strain on the body of both extremes?

 

[Dollenganger]

Is he unvaxxed? I have also know many fit people who have had it worse as well as the overweight. I wonder if it’s to do with the strain on the body of both extremes?

Yes he’s unvaccinated. I have noticed that from a purely anecdotal pov people who go hard at the gym seem to be worse affected by it.

I am never going to go along with this nonsense that it’s mainly vaccinated people in ICU. The figures don’t show this. And my cousin who is a ward doctor also confirms that it’s still mainly unvaccinated people in ICU with Covid.

 

[fireflies]

Great! As well as having the highest case rate per capita in the world…a new variant is found too.

I think maybe same varient France were stressing over last week from Cameroon.
What I don't get some say delta our last exit wave and covid burn itself out.
Now they saying same about omicron.
There maybe some merit in theory waiting for 2ne gen vaccines but the worry is right now the JCVI won't even approve 2nd booster for clinically vunerable and theirs may have waned by Feb/ March so we could potentially see a bit uptake in March hospital admissions.

Also remember the sad figure of 150k dead so far only includes those who died with 28 days the real loss must be much bigger.
Deaths do see High today and they said no lag so not sure it really is as mild as they make out.

 

[Lisdiz]

Yes he’s unvaccinated. I have noticed that from a purely anecdotal pov people who go hard at the gym seem to be worse affected by it.

I am never going to go along with this nonsense that it’s mainly vaccinated people in ICU. The figures don’t show this. And my cousin who is a ward doctor also confirms that it’s still mainly unvaccinated people in ICU with Covid.

To be fair, I like another poster is both unvaccinated and covid recovered, so covid isn’t a death sentence to everybody, I did t need any help or support when i had covid either.

I would also like to add that for myself its less of a distrust of science, because I do believe sicence, but there’s more then one view within that community.
It is actually a distrust of both the Government and more importantly the pharmaceutical companies.

 

[monga]

Great! As well as having the highest case rate per capita in the world…a new variant is found too.

Wonder is it deadlier like Delta with the transmissibilty of Omic

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

I think maybe same varient France were stressing over last week from Cameroon.
What I don't get some say delta our last exit wave and covid burn itself out.
Now they saying same about omicron.
There maybe some merit in theory waiting for 2ne gen vaccines but the worry is right now the JCVI won't even approve 2nd booster for clinically vunerable and theirs may have waned by Feb/ March so we could potentially see a bit uptake in March hospital admissions.

Also remember the sad figure of 150k dead so far only includes those who died with 28 days the real loss must be much bigger.
Deaths do see High today and they said no lag so not sure it really is as mild as they make out.

The death toll is extremely sad, worldwide it is currently 5.5 million people that we know of and even this number could be a lot higher. I don’t think the virus will burn out, I think it will keep mutating and new variants will appear - hopefully less severe as immunity increases evenly around the world.

Wonder is it deadlier like Delta with the transmissibilty of Omic

Now that is something I do not want to be here for. I’m off to Mars.