Luck is literally just another word for privilege.
Brittany Bathgate
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Luck is literally just another word for privilege.
langwidere
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Privilege is relative and I don’t think anyone’s trying to say that she’s as rich as Amelia Liana or that lot. Just that relative to other people, she does have a certain amount of privilege in being white, conventionally attractive, etc. I think as far as influencers go, she’s not the worst, but she clearly benefits from maintaining the status quo and I think gets a lot of kudos from gesturing towards wokeness without genuinely doing anything that disrupts her way of life.
All that being said, I enjoy her content a lot, and my standards for influencer ethics/behaviour are rock bottom anyway, so it’s something I’m not too fussed about. I consume content by people who look like me and people who really challenge the blogger stereotype of skinny white girl, and Brittany Bathgate is a tolerable guilty pleasure whose clothes I happen to like.
It’s Instagram. It’s not that deep and I’m not going to get choked up over it. She’s not AOC. I’m not expecting miracles. I can’t imagine her kicking up a fuss about a press trip not including more diverse bloggers. She doesn’t seem to care enough.
All that being said, I enjoy her content a lot, and my standards for influencer ethics/behaviour are rock bottom anyway, so it’s something I’m not too fussed about. I consume content by people who look like me and people who really challenge the blogger stereotype of skinny white girl, and Brittany Bathgate is a tolerable guilty pleasure whose clothes I happen to like.
It’s Instagram. It’s not that deep and I’m not going to get choked up over it. She’s not AOC. I’m not expecting miracles. I can’t imagine her kicking up a fuss about a press trip not including more diverse bloggers. She doesn’t seem to care enough.Silentcritique
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I just don’t really see the point of going on about her relative privilege when she doesn’t post anything offensive, ostentatious or unattainable. Her style is so minimal it is inoffensive in my opinion, and while she wears many more expensive pieces, they are clearly investments to be worn for years and are not branded, rather ‘if you know you know’.
She isn’t even active enough on Instagram to warrant this level of criticism, we don’t necessarily know what she is doing behind the scenes - hardly like Lily Pebbles posting that she’s bored in her £800k gifted renovation house. BB’s stories seem rare and one of her grid pictures was of a moon ffs.
I feel like if you don’t like her it’s just because she’s not your type of person. Objectively she seems nice enough tbh and she isn’t terribly problematic.
She isn’t even active enough on Instagram to warrant this level of criticism, we don’t necessarily know what she is doing behind the scenes - hardly like Lily Pebbles posting that she’s bored in her £800k gifted renovation house. BB’s stories seem rare and one of her grid pictures was of a moon ffs.
I feel like if you don’t like her it’s just because she’s not your type of person. Objectively she seems nice enough tbh and she isn’t terribly problematic.
langwidere
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But I do like her? I just think it’s possible to enjoy someone’s content and also be critical of their behaviour. We should all expect more from the people we admire; no one’s perfect but I hope those I respect are capable of progress. If you’d like to start a rave thread for her, by all means do. Otherwise I don’t think there’s much point to this thread as she is indeed so bland that there’s nothing to say about her. If you take issue with those of us in this thread who are trying to have a constructive conversation about privilege and race in the influencer industry, then perhaps this is an opportunity to interrogate why you are so invested in shutting down this line of inquiry. Despite her level of activity and her inoffensiveness, she is nonetheless someone who has chosen to make a living by sharing aspects of herself online. No one in this thread has many any criticism that is too unreasonable; surely we’ve all seen worse on Tattle! So I think that to police these kinds of discussions would only serve to kill this thread. What are we supposed to talk about otherwise? Genuine question.
Silentcritique
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My comment wasn’t directed at you but believe me I’m invested in BLM and very aware, just don’t see the point in apportioning blame to BB for being privileged and not doing anything when she seems to be now, as I’ve said, regarding white privileged, and the other claims were just a bit tenuous about her house and dean’s family etc. As I’ve said, we’re all privileged here on tattle for having time and energy to comment on other people lol.
Also about sharing things, she only ever really shared her style for the most part. I don’t think previously influencers ever had a responsibility to speak about other topics, that is very much a recent thing. The influencer job description has certainly changed and maybe BB could do to promote more POC/BIPOC owned businesses but the greater problem is clearly with the whole fashion industry and the onus can not lie purely on the influencer or consumer, remembering that the former isn’t just a reconfiguration of the latter.
Thing is, Brittany shares her style, promotes brands, and gets paid to do so. She talks about being a conscious shopper and alludes to sustainability. So yeah, she does have a responsibility when it comes to fashion content, to educate herself about the damaging effects of fast fashion and how people - the majority being BIPOC - are treated horrifically by these brands. She can't have it both ways. Either she cares about being a conscious shopper and the "buy less but better" mindset or she doesn't, and part of that is ensuring she's not promoting brands that are exploiting people and the planet. I'd also argue that, while she does encourage people to invest in their wardrobes, she also buys a lot of clothes on a very regularly basis. So she says one thing and does the opposite. It's a convenient way to look like she cares about sustainability while not actually changing her shopping habits.
Brittany isn't responsible for the fast fashion industry but she is responsible for making these brands money by promoting them to her followers. It's all part of the problem.
Mrs McCarthy
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I personally didn’t have a problem with her till that comment about pubs she made. Oh why do people in London stand shoulder to shoulder in a pub and why can’t people meet in a garden whilst doing the social distancing.
That to me as a person without a garden sounded very distasteful and very privileged. The majority of people in London live in flats or in hmos with no gardens. You could argue that people can meet in a park and bring picnic ets. But ,asking that comment and posting it online to see made me realise that she is not aware of her privilege and that is the problem. Of course she is not as bad as Lily Pebbles, or Hinch, or many other influencers, but it doesn’t make it any better in general.
or her investment shoes video? A pair of Chanel shoes can cost between £500-1500, that could be a monthly wage! I doubt that many people of her age in Norwich can make such “investments“. She did show a pair of Dr Martens in the same video and there are much cheaper, so at
least she did that.
That to me as a person without a garden sounded very distasteful and very privileged. The majority of people in London live in flats or in hmos with no gardens. You could argue that people can meet in a park and bring picnic ets. But ,asking that comment and posting it online to see made me realise that she is not aware of her privilege and that is the problem. Of course she is not as bad as Lily Pebbles, or Hinch, or many other influencers, but it doesn’t make it any better in general.
or her investment shoes video? A pair of Chanel shoes can cost between £500-1500, that could be a monthly wage! I doubt that many people of her age in Norwich can make such “investments“. She did show a pair of Dr Martens in the same video and there are much cheaper, so at
least she did that.
Gossiperina
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I do agree with you, I did dislike that comment about the gardens (I live in a flat atm as well so my balcony has been like a god send)!!
Also to anyone offended I do apologise, I didn't mean to "police" the comments I just thought privilege is so relative and comes in so many ways (like someone said we should consider ourselves privileged even for having internet and a device we can use to comment here) so that is why I think I got a bit annoyed by everything - just because she is not as bad as most influencers. I did say in a few of the posts that I do believe she is privileged in ways but some people used some comments that for me don't necessarily mean that for example: she is white (many jews in Germany were white but that didn't matter, I am white but come from a east European country and was treated badly many many times in England because of my accent and so on) - she is a white BRITISH person who LIVES IN BRITAIN so that is her privilege in this country (there are countries out there where her white britishness wouldn't matter) - it's probably just stemming from my own negative experience. And also the privilege from her parents - I don't know anything about her parents so I don't like commenting on families unless I know who they actually are (she has never discussed her heritage or I don't know so maybe she is part Jewish or part something else - for example my great great grandma was a dark skinned gypsy but if you look at my family you would never guess I have that in my blood as I am very pale).
All in all all influencers are privileged in many ways and lucky to be able to do this as a job and gain money more easily than others - just there are many others out there who are 1000 times worse than her). And I at least prefer her content which is "boring" because it's relatable to me and where I am in life now but I understand that others prefer other types of content which is completely normal and that's good for you, we watch things to make us feel good and distract us.
Just wanted to say that I am not trying to fight with anyone here so peace with everyone!
Yep. I don't have a garden or balcony, no shared space in my apartment block and there are no local green spaces. It irritates me when people make comments like Brittany did. She is choosing to go sit in a pub garden when she could sit in her own garden! How does she not see the hypocrisy of that? Many of us don't have that choice living in tiny flats with zero green space yet she criticises people for wanting to socialise in the only way they can. She's oblivious to her privilege.
Freebies_come2me
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Sorry what did she say about the garden?
Mrs McCarthy
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In one of her vlogs she commented on photos she has seen about the pubs being opened in London, and how she saw people on these photos standing shoulder to shoulder. She said that with a pandemic going on it’s not good and why would people choose to do that over meeting with someone in the garden whilst doing the social distancing. And how she and her partner used to love going down to the pub, but wouldn’t do it yet.
Little_182
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I’m a fan of Brittany and am really glad you started a ‘rave’ thread. I think her vlogs are lovely and her and Dean seem really nice. I think they work hard and they’ve made a nice life for themselves.
I would never be able to afford half the stuff she has but I find her vlogs have been really nice to watch whilst in lock down.
BB 4eva <3
Gossiperina
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OMG the drama is gone!!! Someone commented on this thread a few hours ago and said they know Brittany and now the comment is all gone! The person spilled all kinds of tea as well.
So annoyed I didn't take a screenshot but I wasn't home when I read it.
So annoyed I didn't take a screenshot but I wasn't home when I read it.
oh no i missed it!!! can you remember what was said?!
Gossiperina
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This is not quote by quote cause I don't remember the exact words but the person was claiming that they know Brittany from Norwich (I believe they said grew up with her or around her) and that she comes from a wealthyish family - growing up she had expensive clothes and even claimed that Brittany used to spend all her money in Topshop and her dad would pay her rent at times. They said she is a very nasty person even if she portrays a nice, collected persona and that many times she bullied people - something about bullying someone in art school (something like creating a Tumblr account and making fun on that person on there). There were other things but I honestly cannot remember - just the main thing that she was always nasty.
As you all know I have defended her in this thread many times and said I like her so not making anything up. I don't know why the person deleted the comments - maybe they would have been easily identified by what they said. And of course, I wouldn't know if any of this is true or not.
Silentcritique
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No way 
Well remembered, shame the person deleted it and I hope it wasn’t made up?
If it’s is true I wonder if she has changed since then... it’s hard to imagine...
I will say for any online influencer -literally most of them haha- there seems to be a prerequisite of arrogance/self importance? Which would lend itself to that sort of behaviour I suppose.
Well remembered, shame the person deleted it and I hope it wasn’t made up?
If it’s is true I wonder if she has changed since then... it’s hard to imagine...
I will say for any online influencer -literally most of them haha- there seems to be a prerequisite of arrogance/self importance? Which would lend itself to that sort of behaviour I suppose.
Gossiperina
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Annoyed I did not screenshot it but I thought it was gonna be here. My hubby was food shopping and I was waiting in the car so I logged in to make the time pass and I saw that!! I don't remember the username either unfortunately. Maybe if the person is still here let me know, you can message me privately!! By posting my comment I am exposing you as well so if you wish me to delete it I will do thatNo way
Well remembered, shame the person deleted it and I hope it wasn’t made up?
If it’s is true I wonder if she has changed since then... it’s hard to imagine...
I will say for any online influencer -literally most of them haha- there seems to be a prerequisite of arrogance/self importance? Which would lend itself to that sort of behaviour I suppose.
You definitely need a bit of arrogance and confidence to be in a job like this..even taking the plunge to posting a video of yourself out there. It's always disappointing when you find out people were bullies or are nasty. If it's all true, I hope as she matured that she understands it was wrong. I definitely did things I wasn't proud of in my youth (especially high school but nothing horrendous) but as I grew up I could tell that was wrong.
charliebnim
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I think you are the one with the problem here LOL
Maybe that person deleted the comment because it wasn't true...
For once I have to say that I adore BB and that I don't think she is boring at all. It's just how life is.
People think life is supposed to be all amazing things and full of exciting events, but it is boring most of the time because that's just how it is and there is nothing wrong with that.
We all have to work (one way or another) and do all the boring things etc and I for once am sick and tired of watching brainless influencers which life doesn't resemble mine at all because they are the ones trying to portray something that isn't true.
BB does seem down to earth and does seem like a quiet person. she buys expensive clothes sometimes and rarely gets stuff for free and unlike the comment from someone I never saw her dress in fast fashion LOL. She takes care of her clothes and shoes and has a healthy relationship with her boyfriend/husband whatever. In the bigger scheme of things, she is privileged only to a certain extent. from other comments, we see that she has worked regular jobs, has built her own house and ffs what else do you want??
Sorry but I am not looking for someone perfect.
I am looking for someone relatable, that is not perfect, will sometimes say the wrong thing (even if that is about gardens
which you guys sound like the ones that are privileged btw complaining about this) but will learn from it and learn to care about BLM and other issues that are more important but that still has the presence of mine to care about mundane stuff and have opinions that are sensible and well-formulated...Yes, I will never have designer clothes and whatnot, but she will and if she decides to spend her money on that, I am ok with that. Because I decide to spend my money on food and that's just my choices in life
And like some other previous comment said, we are privileged as well just by being able to comment on others lives and pass judgment even though there is no judgement relevant enough to pass (in this case).
I will gladly watch a BB rave discussion, so when you guys are ready, please go ahead because I am useless around computers
thank you
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I think you are the one with the problem here LOL
Maybe that person deleted the comment because it wasn't true...
For once I have to say that I adore BB and that I don't think she is boring at all. It's just how life is.
People think life is supposed to be all amazing things and full of exciting events, but it is boring most of the time because that's just how it is and there is nothing wrong with that.
We all have to work (one way or another) and do all the boring things etc and I for once am sick and tired of watching brainless influencers which life doesn't resemble mine at all because they are the ones trying to portray something that isn't true.
BB does seem down to earth and does seem like a quiet person. she buys expensive clothes sometimes and rarely gets stuff for free and unlike the comment from someone I never saw her dress in fast fashion LOL. She takes care of her clothes and shoes and has a healthy relationship with her boyfriend/husband whatever. In the bigger scheme of things, she is privileged only to a certain extent. from other comments, we see that she has worked regular jobs, has built her own house and ffs what else do you want??
Sorry but I am not looking for someone perfect.
I am looking for someone relatable, that is not perfect, will sometimes say the wrong thing (even if that is about gardens
Yes, I will never have designer clothes and whatnot, but she will and if she decides to spend her money on that, I am ok with that. Because I decide to spend my money on food and that's just my choices in life
And like some other previous comment said, we are privileged as well just by being able to comment on others lives and pass judgment even though there is no judgement relevant enough to pass (in this case).
I will gladly watch a BB rave discussion, so when you guys are ready, please go ahead because I am useless around computers
thank you
You really need to chill out. It's a discussion board. We have different opinions. I find her boring, you don't. That's allowed.
Gossiperina
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Okay, please can we let it go?? I will leave this thread here as a general discussion one and make a new one in the Rave about section just for the people who want that, The rave one is at this link: https://tattle.life/threads/brittany-bathgate-rave.7920/
Also as said before, if the person who left that comment has an actual reason for deleting it (as in you are very easy to identify) please dm me and I will delete my comment as well!!!
Also as said before, if the person who left that comment has an actual reason for deleting it (as in you are very easy to identify) please dm me and I will delete my comment as well!!!
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