Alice Evans & Ioan Gruffudd #283 Wedding Rings vs Chicken Wings

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LMAOOOOOO

they are not traditionally disciplined if they do something wrong. Yes, assaulting your dad has no consequences (in fact, I bet Ella got a big reward for this), but telling abuser momma to not drink on your birthday gets them grounded for a week. Who is she kidding here exactly? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

"empathetic" - yes, calling strangers "witches" and treating your dad like dirt truly is very empathetic. Not primarly their fault obviously but when you have trained kids to behave like this I wouldn't brag about their good upbringing, it makes you look pretty silly, especially since there is video evidence disproving both the lack of disciplined punishment (although wrong discipline in her case) and the good behavior. But narcs will be narcs.
 
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Ok I’m going to go a little darker here but I now have zero faith in how divorce cases are handled in California. There was a Dr murdered by his ex wife in LA this year. Divorced for years. Restraining orders and rulings that she had to pay him back what he was owed. She reopened the divorce multiple times. How is that possible? She even demanded child support for their 21 year old !! Anyway, she was arrested this week because she finally killed him, when his new wife had a baby. View attachment 3329356 q
I watched an episode of When Missing Turns To Murder the other day, and went, yep, that's Al right there.
 
Nope. Tells you she did not raise those kids and don't know a thing about raising kids. Raising kids as a committee, my ass.
Just admit that your kids have been raising and taking care of themselves since Gloria and their dad left.
They make decisions, lay down the law and she follows because she is probably too drunk and zonked out most of the time to do anything. Her whole post screams alcoholic mother. Poor Ella and Elsie.
 
Nope. Tells you she did not raise those kids and don't know a thing about raising kids. Raising kids as a committee, my ass.
Just admit that your kids have been raising and taking care of themselves since Gloria and their dad left.
They make decisions, lay down the law and she follows because she is probably too drunk and zonked out most of the time to do anything. Her whole post screams alcoholic mother. Poor Ella and Elsie.
Exactly. Alice's parenting could raise monsters. They could be doomed to an existence with few friends and horrible relationships based on what Alice feels is appropriate behavior.
 
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She means empathetic to her needs and that's it as she's the important one. Any real challenge to what she says would be met with guilt tripping or threats of abandonment. The kids saw how she scapegoated their father and they don't want the same treatment.
 
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She means empathetic to her needs and that's it as she's the important one. Any real challenge to what she says would be met with guilt tripping or threats of abandonment. The kids saw how she scapegoated their father and they don't want the same treatment.
Alice will post every detail of their adult lives so she can take credit for their achievements, if they don't cut her off completely. Anything For Likes Alice will be on the hunt for content.
 
I guess Ella allowed this as it's only showing their backs. They are either BAYBEEZ or All grown up. Weird.

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All they ever seem to do with mommy dearest is shop....
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I can't help but notice the shoe boot with dress combo that her mini me is wearing. I hope she develops her own style at some point.
Looks like they are off to their annual charity dinner at Soho House. Is Elsie wearing an Alice cast off?
 
Alice will post every detail of their adult lives so she can take credit for their achievements, if they don't cut her off comto pla wetely. Anything For Likes Alice will be on the hunt for content.

Yes, supposedly she's the reason they are so empathic lol. Eh, who are they empathic to exactly? MAlice herself, obviously. Do they tell her not to work? That IG needs pay for everything "because he cheated". That's "empathy" on planet Alice.

It's a way of praising herself too. Mother of the year.
 
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Alice must be rattled about her deposition to be using her kids in posts like these today.

That happens when you abuse your spouse to the point they leave, file for divorce, block, and obtain a DVRO against you.
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I bet all of Alice’s 2025 income that she doesn’t pony up & pay for this virtual event!!! She is all mouth and no follow through
 
Yes, supposedly she's the reason they are so empathic lol. Eh, who are they empathic to exactly? MAlice herself, obviously. Do they tell her not to work? That IG needs pay for everything "because he cheated". That's "empathy" on planet Alice.

It's a way of praising herself too. Mother of the year.

Yep. Exactly what my narc mother does. Any successes that I've had, they are down to her, any talent I have, I get it from her. All a load of utter tit.

I'm supposed to blindly parrot everything she says about my father - that he treated her terribly (he did, but after the 2nd affair she had to take some responsibility for staying...I would have been about 6 at that time), that he owed/still owes her a roof over her head/financial support for her whole life because she had his children.

I'm also supposed to 'admire' and be in 'awe' of the fact that she martyred herself 'for her children' by not leaving. I've never ever had or would...myself and my two brothers have paid, and are still paying, the price of her bad decisions. Even back when he'd first left, and all the gory details were being forced on me by her about their marriage (stuff that even as an adult of 21 I shouldn't have been burdened with) all I could think was 'why the duck did you put up with it???' It actually had the opposite effect to the one she wanted, it made me think she was pathetic and a doormat, who in the end had cared more about money and property than her 3 children...and was reaping what she sowed.

35 years later, my opinion has not changed one iota.
 
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Alice will post every detail of their adult lives so she can take credit for their achievements, if they don't cut her off completely. Anything For Likes Alice will be on the hunt for content.
I have a real fear they will take after the Evan’s side rather than Ioan’s side. An alcoholic mentally unstable aggressive work shy grifter mother with a SM habit, a brother with bankruptcies, alcohol issues (broadcast by his sister all over SM) & failing kidneys & a brother deep into conspiracy theories coupled with a dad who cut them out of his life. Then you have Ioan, all round well respected good guy with a strong decent streak & work ethic. I know whose genes I would prefer to have on my side
 
Brilliant recap @Old Soak ❤ Sending much love and good vibes out to everyone who struggles with the Christmas period and endless ads of happy, happy families shoved down our throats.

Mum had to go to hospital about 3 weeks ago, and the whole tit hit the fan in a good way leaving her waiting to go into respite and then permanent care, and me actually being free of her narc abuse for the first time ever! Finances and housing are still very much up in the air, but the fur baby and I will be spending the Christmas period in peace, probably broke but safe and happy. Thanks to everyone here who gave me support and made me laugh like a sieve. You made what was almost unbearable tolerable. ❤

Speaking of which, @Ally Pally MALICE is going to HATE that thread title! :cool:😂 I wonder if she'll pack the kids off to friends and wear her wedding dress roleplaying their wedding on YoBee's big day? Or just spam SM with her own wedding pics? Poor Alice, she's yet to realise that when you're out of a narc's abuse circle, their behaviour is just so embarrassingly ridiculous.
Oh Cookie it is with mixed emotions I read this. I am so pleased that you will have a calm and peaceful Christmas, you certainly deserve it. I will raise a glass to you on the 25th & toast to your happiness. But it must still be hard going through the process and finally getting to this point. It has been a difficult journey for you and I'm glad that Alice brought us together to support and give us so many laughs through difficult times. Can't believe this is the 4th Christmas we have been on here. I am thinking of you xxx
 
Alice was never good enough for Ioan’s family. She's better suited to spending the holidays alone, with a bottle or 3. If anyone was unkind to Alice, I'm sure they had reason to be.



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Oh yes the very same Mother in law she's been alienating her grandchildren from way before her marriage ended, ten years I believe. One of her major moans about Ioan was apparently he didn't disown his Mother and thank god he didn't I'm sure his parents have been a source of great comfort and support to him.
 
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