2024 US Election #3

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Doc said:
I rather think European citizens are concentrating on their own social and economic issues than harping on about Brexit after nearly a decade. Most continental Europeans give no shits about the UK.

The vote share of Eurosceptic parties has risen over the last few years. If there's a war, or an economic downturn - of which some countries are starting to experience - it will increase because the biggest enemy of the EU is instability. There is a shift towards lack of confidence in politicians and mouthpieces, reflected onto the bloated EU.

I know you're trying to be condescending, but I get my info from a variety of sources. I do like X, it has been a good barometer of public mood in spite of denial allegations of bots and interference. Anyone who took a tiny bit of notice to the comments was not surprised Harris lost. I work with a lot of people and I very rarely contribute to discussion, but I always listen. People never feel afraid of a lecture for saying what they think in front of me so I get all raw opinion. I hop around a lot of forums online and check out what people are saying, prod for response and separate the wheat from the chaff. I read a lot, but I'm quite sceptical of journalistic opinion pieces and prefer looking at raw data to form my own take.
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Not a lot of sources there bar some anecdotes and a vague reference to X and being skeptical of mainstream media. Says it all really.

If you got all your news from social media you'd have thought far right anti immigrant parties would be a sure thing in the most recent Irish election - or the French election before that, or any number of recent elections. But time and time again that hasn't come to fruition, despite what the algorithms on x and tik tok are programmed to try to make us/you believe.

The "oppressive identity politics" you mention - whilst straight out of the mouth of a Russian based bot farm on X - is not the lived reality of EU member citizens.

I don't know who the people you talk to every day are - are you in Europe or the UK? I'm guessing UK and maybe there's a certain cohort that Need to believe the EU is crumbling so that the decision to leave the EU seems less poorly thought out.

But for most European and most reasonable people when faced with the choice of remaining as a team or facing off against, say, Russia alone won't choose to go it alone. The EU won't be crumbling in the next 5 years.
 
SIXTYNINEDUDES! said:
Not a lot of sources there bar some anecdotes and a vague reference to X and being skeptical of mainstream media. Says it all really.
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If you got all your news from social media you'd have thought far right anti immigrant parties would be a sure thing in the most recent Irish election - or the French election before that, or any number of recent elections. But time and time again that hasn't come to fruition, despite what the algorithms on x and tik tok are programmed to try to make us/you believe.

The "oppressive identity politics" you mention - whilst straight out of the mouth of a Russian based bot farm on X - is not the lived reality of EU member citizens.
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I don't know who the people you talk to every day are - are you in Europe or the UK? I'm guessing UK and maybe there's a certain cohort that Need to believe the EU is crumbling so that the decision to leave the EU seems less poorly thought out.

But for most European and most reasonable people when faced with the choice of remaining as a team or facing off against, say, Russia alone won't choose to go it alone. The EU won't be crumbling in the next 5 years.
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Yel said:
But what is your timeframe for the EU death?

It's interesting that Poland has been the biggest success of the EU and has benefited so much but support is quickly falling. From 92% support to 77% in a couple of years. As the years go on support could keep falling. Poland has already extracted most of the potential benefits from the EU.

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It’s the same with Blackpool - they received a massive amount of money to try and regenerate it - new promenade etc but they massively voted for Brexit.
 
Onetwofour said:
The floated idea is to have a EU with different levels of integration. I can see many member countries opting for this.
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This seems like the most viable path the EU should evolve into. The one size fits all approach across so many very different countries is difficult to keep harmonious.

I moved out of the UK years ago and was in France and Brexit was mentioned a lot during elections there. Ultimately the thing the EU cares about most is the existence of the EU and a successful Brexit would have been the big threat to it's existance.
 
My Dem pals are taking Biden’s pardon really hard. Like they’re seriously gutted, it’s taken the wind from their ‘resistance’ sails. Meanwhile Trump’s coming in all guns blazing. Anyone else think this is going to get messy? I do.
 
BessieNessie said:
My Dem pals are taking Biden’s pardon really hard. Like they’re seriously gutted, it’s taken the wind from their ‘resistance’ sails. Meanwhile Trump’s coming in all guns blazing. Anyone else think this is going to get messy? I do.
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On a human-level he did the right thing obviously. But he fucked-up by (a) saying he wouldn't do it and (b) not doing it on xmas eve or new years eve. Absolutely shocking bleeping politics from the twit. The Dems will be fucked from this day foward unless they change their messaging.
 
For me the biggest problem with Biden pardoning Hunter, is that the pardon specifically covers a period beginning in.2014 which is when he (Hunter) became involved with the Ukrainian company, Burisma. We know that the Republicans have been trying to link Hunter and Jim Biden's extremely lucrative commercial dealings in the Ukraine and China, to Biden himself. So by giving Hunter such a wide-ranging pardon covering any potential illegality, Biden is also possibly covering his own misdeeds.

It really stinks to high heaven as it isn't just a case of a father protecting his son, which would be bad enough.
 
Dinate said:
It really stinks to high heaven as it isn't just a case of a father protecting his son, which would be bad enough.
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It really doesn't. The whole thing is/was a poltical witchhunt. Hunter was high and filled-in a form incorrectly when buying a gun. It's hardly crime of the bleeping century is it. Not compared to raping a woman in a department store anyway. :rolleyes:

I'm going to enjoy watching The Trumps and Co. (sounds like a second-rate reality tv show already) fail big time during the next four years. It's going to be hilarious watching these drug-addled nitwits trying to navigate around global politics under the scrutiny of the media (if they can actually do their bleeping job). I sincerely believe Trump is a drug addict. Trump Jr. is CLEARLY a cokehead. Musk is a Ketamine fiend. These numptys will destroy themselves before they'll destroy anything else. I know addicts when I see them .... (I am one, we smell our own).
 
Ndrangheta said:
It really doesn't. The whole thing is/was a poltical witchhunt. Hunter was high and filled-in a form incorrectly when buying a gun. It's hardly crime of the bleeping century is it. Not compared to raping a woman in a department store anyway. :rolleyes:

I'm going to enjoy watching The Trumps and Co. (sounds like a second-rate reality tv show already) fail big time during the next four years. It's going to be hilarious watching these drug-addled nitwits trying to navigate around global politics under the scrutiny of the media (if they can actually do their bleeping job). I sincerely believe Trump is a drug addict. Trump Jr. is CLEARLY a cokehead. Musk is a Ketamine fiend. These numptys will destroy themselves before they'll destroy anything else. I know addicts when I see them .... (I am one, we smell our own).
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In terms of the tax evasion, I don't think that the argument that it was politically motivated holds water. The US generally doesn't take prisoners when it comes to tax evasion - hordes of famous people are prosecuted for it. The bigger point that I was making is regarding the extremely wide scope of the pardon i.e. to include any possible criminality from the time Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma.

If the pardon was just for the crimes that we are aware of i.e. the gun charges and the tax evasion, it would be more easy to defend even in the face of cries of hypocrisy. However, a pardon which covers all possible crimes including those yet to be investigated or discovered is unbelievably wide and most definitely worthy of scrutiny. And as I said, the possible crimes that are clearly being anticipated, are crimes which potentially implicate Biden himself. That's the problem.
 
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