UK Literary Luvvies
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Dolly’s whole shtick is female friendships so surprised she’s chosen a male main character? Guess to deliberately diversify.
Male heartbreak’s not something I’d ever tackle writing about as a woman. It’s not talked about and yassified as much- we know we can go to Refinery29 or search a hashtag, they’re alone unless they have close friends- and it’s probably a really lonely situation for a man to admit he’s suffering from heartbreak and tied in with lots of male societal expectations and holding things in etc. I’d say it’s almost akin to a man writing about pregnancy loss or something. I really don’t see how Dolly’s style is going to fit into that. It will all be about the new love interest
Walkthehemline
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The Dating episode where ED spoke about herself non stop for 50minutes and then said “oh sorry I’ve totally dominated” sent me over the edge. It was months ago and I still remember how angry I was that day
queenamber
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Emma could add some really useful insight as a therapist but Elizabeth just dominates the conversation or fawns over her!
Walkthehemline
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Yes! If I had a friend who did this to me, I would have abandoned ship a long time ago.
munkibrain
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Bernie Sanders on How to Fail. He is so unfazed by Elizabeth’s sycophancy
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queenamber
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How tf has she managed a cover and a homepage spot out of it? The sultry photoshoot also feels a bit weird when she's writing about her sadness and trauma?
jenmarks
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Please, give it a rest Liz. I get it, it's sad, she wants children. But ENOUGH now, please.
It’s a popular topic as it resonates with a lot of women. I feel sorry for her but it’s been done to death, how about something fresh?
queenamber
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She criticises people for sharing their children online and compares it to bragging about sharing big houses or expensive cars, but that analogy could just keep going until there's no winning. What about her constant sharing of writing or book deals when there's people out there who have worked for years at writing or securing a book deal only to get nowhere? What about her sharing of her all best friends when there's people out there who feel lonely and isolated and struggle to make new connections? She shares her cat constantly. What about people who are longing for a pet and can't have one?
I get what she's saying about thoughtless baby announcements and I do think people (women especially!) need to be more mindful about other people's fertility journeys or child-free decisions but I think she's being a bit unfair. You can criticise every single person on social media for sharing parts of their lives. It's always going to offend someone whether intentional or not.
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I wouldn’t post about my glorious babies on social media in much the same way as I wouldn’t post about my expansive mansion or my fleet of Bentleys (not that I have any of those), because it’s thoughtless to those who don’t have these things. Forget the language of privilege for a second: isn’t it just lacking in basic empathy? Isn’t it just being a good human?
I get what she's saying about thoughtless baby announcements and I do think people (women especially!) need to be more mindful about other people's fertility journeys or child-free decisions but I think she's being a bit unfair. You can criticise every single person on social media for sharing parts of their lives. It's always going to offend someone whether intentional or not.
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I wouldn’t post about my glorious babies on social media in much the same way as I wouldn’t post about my expansive mansion or my fleet of Bentleys (not that I have any of those), because it’s thoughtless to those who don’t have these things. Forget the language of privilege for a second: isn’t it just lacking in basic empathy? Isn’t it just being a good human?
maketheswitch
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She also talks about ‘fertility privilege’ in the same sentence as BLM and #MeToo - wow. I don’t know much about her fertility struggle but she says she’s been trying to have a baby for the last ten years - presumably then she has access to more treatment than is available on the NHS. A massive privilege she doesn’t mention.
If she had fallen pregnant a few years ago, through IVF, of course she would have showed off her lovely babies on social media. People would have been happy about her happy ending and she would have enjoyed sharing the joy. Haven’t read the rest of the article, but from that excerpt she’s starting to sound bitter. And agree, the topic is becoming tiresome because she has nothing new to say other than stupid statements like the above.
Stillwater
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Is having a kid a human right?
Yes she has paid for the majority of her treatment. She is also 44 and STILL trying to get pregnant. I'm sorry but at that point the chances are so low and the chances of something being wrong with the pregnancy/foetus are really, really high. She seems to get everything else she wants. You can't have everything.
Walkthehemline
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Her need for a child obviously dominates her life and I have no doubt that it's incredibly difficult for her.
This article really got my back up though because I hate women asking other women to dull their shine. Yes, we can all be mindful of our language and should not boast of how incredibly easy it was to conceive or whatever it may be. But if your friend wants to share the fact they're having a child, and that they love that child, why on earth shouldn't they? Most of us will envy something about other people's lives but we're allowed to celebrate what we like and we're each responsible for our feelings.
She says she wouldn't post about her "expansive mansion" etc because "it’s thoughtless to those who don’t have these things" but she frequently shows off about her million pound house in central London, her millionaire husband, that bloody Peloton, plus she posed on top of a PILE of her books only a few days ok (which was the ninth that she's published, by the way).
I'm fine with her doing that but she shouldn't be telling anyone off for sharing their privilege when she does so much of it herself.
This article really got my back up though because I hate women asking other women to dull their shine. Yes, we can all be mindful of our language and should not boast of how incredibly easy it was to conceive or whatever it may be. But if your friend wants to share the fact they're having a child, and that they love that child, why on earth shouldn't they? Most of us will envy something about other people's lives but we're allowed to celebrate what we like and we're each responsible for our feelings.
She says she wouldn't post about her "expansive mansion" etc because "it’s thoughtless to those who don’t have these things" but she frequently shows off about her million pound house in central London, her millionaire husband, that bloody Peloton, plus she posed on top of a PILE of her books only a few days ok (which was the ninth that she's published, by the way).
I'm fine with her doing that but she shouldn't be telling anyone off for sharing their privilege when she does so much of it herself.
Oh yes and she shows off about her millions of friends!! And her expensive weekends away with hubby, her journo connections, nice clothes... She thinks she can have it all! Some of us have the kids but no friends, career, money, husband like her etc. She needs to realise how lucky she is for the things she has!
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