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soph30 said:
But that's all she writes about!!
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Dolly is sodding annoying to be fair 😂 she's a cross between I'm the voice of a generation and I'm not like other girls. Oh and I'm such a good friend but the moment I'm not the centre of attention I sulk. I can't ever see her and her issues not being in the limelight
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I just don't hear from her or about her all that much these days. I don't know if she's ever said she's the voice of a generation but maybe some of the other LLs would say that about her.
 
I hate Pandora more to be fair. Dolly's desperate and a dick, but at least she tries to be different, Pandora's like I'm beige and popular but with just the right amount of EDGE
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I think what annoys me that Dolly etc think they’re a voice of a generation (I mean I know there’s no proof she said that, but come on she thinks it, and same with Elizabeth etc) is that they have soooo much time to sit around introspecting about men etc? Like I literally work 8-8 on the weekdays and all I ever hear from that lot is like “It’s Wednesday. I wake up at 11 and light a cigarette, look at all the corporate men in suits below and wonder if I could ever be their wife. I log onto Instagram and think Will I ever be one of those girls”? No sodding time for all that babe, maybe on the weekend but then I’m fitting in chores and social life
 
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Why is living in London a personality trait? ‘Attractive in their own way’? Fair enough to say that about yourself, but to say it about people you cast in your drama to make money, it’s bloody horrible.
 
Tbh Annie Lord is pretty LL-adjacent. I actually feel a bit sorry for her - she's not a terrible writer, but she's essentially got to flog the intimate details of her personal life for her column (ok, I'm sure she makes some of it up) - it saddens me that this seems the main route to journalism/LL success. What happens when you're no longer going on 3 dates per week? What happens when you've mined all your embarrassing sex secrets and your trauma™ for thinkpieces but there's a new, younger wave of be-trauma-ed slightly kooky girls desperate for a column?

Sorry to get all deep on a Sunday morning when I really just wanted to roll my eyes about Dolly bringing up Nora Ephron AGAIN.
 
Yeah I’d like to see a contemporary female writer we know nothing about and just focus on the books? You know, like most male writers. It’s like we have to know everything about you as a woman before you’re ‘allowed’ to be anointed as a writer type. Even Sally Rooney gets on her soapbox about politics a bit. Dolly wouldn’t be half as annoying if she just produced her books (which are entertaining and capture the zeitgeist to be fair) and shut up :)
Oh I know Zadie Smith Angela Hui etc, I’m talking about LLs mainly
 
Came on here to see the commentary on the Dolly interview! I think Annie Lord’s writing was really poor at points. Describing the flat as “really nice though” with zero further detail. And the random observation of Dolly sinking into her sofa. ---
 

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garfield123 said:
Came on here to see the commentary on the Dolly interview! I think Annie Lord’s writing was really poor at points. Describing the flat as “really nice though” with zero further detail. And the random observation of Dolly sinking into her sofa. ---
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I am a Dolly apologist so won't bother discussing her but I agree this article was written in rather a juvenile way. To languish is to 'lose or lack vitality; grow weak, or 'to be forced to remain in an unpleasant place or situation' so unless this was very subtle shade, it wasn't the word she was looking for. I expect she meant luxuriate/lounge or something like that. Petty and carry of me but it's a bugbear of mine when people (particularly journos/writers) use words they obviously don't actually know the meaning of
 
emeraldopal said:
I am a Dolly apologist so won't bother discussing her but I agree this article was written in rather a juvenile way. To languish is to 'lose or lack vitality; grow weak, or 'to be forced to remain in an unpleasant place or situation' so unless this was very subtle shade, it wasn't the word she was looking for. I expect she meant luxuriate/lounge or something like that. Petty and carry of me but it's a bugbear of mine when people (particularly journos/writers) use words they obviously don't actually know the meaning of
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You can stick up for Dolly here if you like! As a fan you’ll be the one reading the sodding book and summarising it for us so go for it, think we’re going to be friends on this thread ;)
 
emeraldopal said:
I am a Dolly apologist so won't bother discussing her but I agree this article was written in rather a juvenile way. To languish is to 'lose or lack vitality; grow weak, or 'to be forced to remain in an unpleasant place or situation' so unless this was very subtle shade, it wasn't the word she was looking for. I expect she meant luxuriate/lounge or something like that. Petty and carry of me but it's a bugbear of mine when people (particularly journos/writers) use words they obviously don't actually know the meaning of
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The interview did her a bit of a disservice. I’m surprised much of it got past the editor.
 
soph30 said:
Yeah I’d like to see a contemporary female writer we know nothing about and just focus on the books? You know, like most male writers. It’s like we have to know everything about you as a woman before you’re ‘allowed’ to be anointed as a writer type. Even Sally Rooney gets on her soapbox about politics a bit. Dolly wouldn’t be half as annoying if she just produced her books (which are entertaining and capture the zeitgeist to be fair) and shut up :)
Oh I know Zadie Smith Angela Hui etc, I’m talking about LLs mainly
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It’s bleeping annoying, but in defence of female writers (actually, any writer who isn’t a white man) the trend over recent years has all been about “how does this material connect to your real life?” “ Why are YOU telling this story?”You have to constantly defend yourself and your right to write certain stories in a way men don’t have to, which is definitively why so many female writers seem to explore their trauma/ write thinly veiled biographical stuff- because that’s what publishers and commissioners want and expect from them (speaking very much from experience in an adjacent industry)

That said, Dolly et al are deeply irritating, and their class privilege gives them more opportunity than others.
 
jenmarks said:
We already knew this though, non?
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Yes, this rumour has come up before! I done a search and a similar rumour was posted here in February

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