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Flibbertigibbet said:
There's probably a thesis in how the decline in the scriptwriting reflects the monarchy's decline from the reverence of Empire to tampons and squidgy and toe-sucking I adored the first two seasons not because of nostalgia for Empire (being Irish and all :ROFLMAO: ) but for the exquisite style of the houses, cars, frocks, the Britannia... it was such a feast for the eyes. The 80s, on the other hand, are as tacky-lookin' as I remember, and the scripts seem to have been sent in by fax by a hungover work experience kid.
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No just the monarchy but the aesthetic look of the country. Instead of lovely brick houses in our towns and villages we have cheap housing estates that won’t last 50 years, instead of glorious workmanship on buildings in the city we have glass….and more glass. Everything has gotten easy and lazy and ugly.
(need to create a thread on the hatred of modern architecture to express these feelings hahaha).
 
thegirlscout said:
No just the monarchy but the aesthetic look of the country. Instead of lovely brick houses in our towns and villages we have cheap housing estates that won’t last 50 years, instead of glorious workmanship on buildings in the city we have glass….and more glass. Everything has gotten easy and lazy and ugly.
(need to create a thread on the hatred of modern architecture to express these feelings hahaha).
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I'd say your new King would love to be patron of such a thread. :)
 
Curly Top said:
The portrayals of Charles and Diana are both rather kind.

The Queen deciding she was going to London after Diana's death was plain wrong. She needed to be coerced into that plan by multiple advisers.

The actors playing Diana and Charles have got their voices down pat. Brilliant!
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The Queen only came to London because her advisers warned her that "the people"were beginning to turn against her, I remember it well, never saw such hysteria before or since,and what got me was that Diana wasn't THAT popular before she died. Don't have Netflix so wont be watching it, but The Guardian were calling The Crown "The Diana Show".
 
I watched the 4 episodes yesterday. suffering from a horrid cold, and needing to rest! I enjoyed the first few series...but this one was ...weak!

Its history I lived through and remembered.....but its nothing like the Royal family I observed! Princess Diana was of course a massive tabloid favourite, but she wasnt ever the main player of the Royal Family! So these 4 episodes to me do a disservice to the Royal family, they reduce them to bit players in the Diana show.
The yachts and scenery of the med are lovely, but this series isnt based on any factual evidence, almost all of it is circumstantial. There isnt any Andrew Morton evidence or Martin Bashir interview to base any of it on. So it all becomes some kind of romantic fairy tale, between Diana and an Egyptian guy who is engaged to be married to an American model, and due to be married 3 weeks after Diana and Dodi meet!
Dodi is a creep..... why on earth would Diana want to get involved with him? surely the red flags would be waving in her head? According to this show, Mohammed Al fayad deliberately calls the paps on Diana and Dodi, holidaying privately on his yacht, to encourage the affair getting out in public! ( which must be new evidence found by Peter Morgan, because when I fact checked this, it was unknown where the paps who took the photos got their tip off)

The series lays the death of Diana purely at the door of the Al fayads, with Diana desperate to get back to London to see her sons, and get back to normality, and the Al Fayads, plotting to keep her and deliberately diverting their private jet to Paris. Dodi and his father seem to be trying to use some kind of coercive control over Diana, and to keep her away from London, and her friends.
And by doing this, they don't have the correct security or correct arrangements to keep Diana safe and away from the paparazzi! So the crash was almost an accident waiting to happen. She was safer in Bosnia in a minefield, than she was in the care of the Al fayads!

And I disliked the actors playing Charles and the Queen. I never saw the Queen as a pale granny who disappeared into the background, and I have seen the actor playing Charles in too many other things, like The Affair, to find him likeable or trustworthy!

And as for Diana and Dodi's ghosts!!!
 
Curly Top said:
The portrayals of Charles and Diana are both rather kind.
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I think the script was a lot of wishful thinking; Charles and Diana having a friendly last conversation, Dodi realising he had to stand up to his father because Diana turned him down with some emotionally mature discussion that seemed way out of character. The show is giving them the ending it thinks the Diana fans would want, not the Playboy and Princess killed by a drunk driver while on a lavish holiday.
 
I never really got the whole saint Diana thing or why so many people worshipped her she wasnt so innocent herself
I was quite shocked at how bad the queens reaction was at the time and how long it took for her to show herself too
Also think Dominic West and Elizabeth Debecki are great as Charles and Diana
 
Rosie glow said:
I never really got the whole saint Diana thing or why so many people worshipped her she wasnt so innocent herself
I was quite shocked at how bad the queens reaction was at the time and how long it took for her to show herself too
Also think Dominic West and Elizabeth Debecki are great as Charles and Diana
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I seem to remember her being very much disliked in the run up to her death. Lots of people complaining about her being in the tabloids and spending all her time on lavish holidays. I mean, she did do a lot of great charity work, but essentially she was a posh woman who wasn’t too clever and wore a lot of designer clothes. Then overnight she became a saint.
 
While the script is truly awful, I have to credit the actor Salim Dau for his portrayal of Mohammed Al Fayed. MoMo might be the villain of the piece - and I daresay there are some former Harrods shopgirls who are delighted to see him cast as the baddie - but Dau plays him like a Shakespearean villain, or the origin story of an evil character in a superhero movie. You'd want a heart of stone not to be moved by his performance, and I find it interesting that there is silence when the royals in Balmoral and the diplomats in Paris are being informed of Diana's death, yet Mohammed Al Fayed gives a full-throated cry of anguish when seeing his son dead in the morgue.
 
I was working a very early shift that day as a teenager somewhere that sold newspapers. I was awake getting ready when when it was announced she had died. Then went into work where there were a lot of first edition newspapers not one of them had a good word to say about Diana & Dodi - they were full of pictures slagging then off on that yacht. One even had a supplement dedicated to the pics. In hindsight I wish I had bought them.
I think they are being too kind to Charles in these episodes. Personally I can’t imagine him crying so much for her. Maybe for the impact in the short term for him and possibly the boys. But in the long term it probably helped his ‘situation’.
 
Flibbertigibbet said:
While the script is truly awful, I have to credit the actor Salim Dau for his portrayal of Mohammed Al Fayed. MoMo might be the villain of the piece - and I daresay there are some former Harrods shopgirls who are delighted to see him cast as the baddie - but Dau plays him like a Shakespearean villain, or the origin story of an evil character in a superhero movie. You'd want a heart of stone not to be moved by his performance, and I find it interesting that there is silence when the royals in Balmoral and the diplomats in Paris are being informed of Diana's death, yet Mohammed Al Fayed gives a full-throated cry of anguish when seeing his son dead in the morgue.
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he’s the absolute standout performance for me: really hope that he gets some awards recognition for it. like you say, he gives the “character” so much depth and it’s incredibly compelling (and moving) to watch.
 
Flowergirl14 said:
So was Diana only interested in men who were married or engaged??
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She did seem to court married men, but I think myself that the man she really wanted was a Pakistani heart specialist that she had been seeing,but he didn't want to commit as he didn't like publicity and his parents were strict Muslims who would want him to marry a similar woman.
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ayeayecaptain said:
I was working a very early shift that day as a teenager somewhere that sold newspapers. I was awake getting ready when when it was announced she had died. Then went into work where there were a lot of first edition newspapers not one of them had a good word to say about Diana & Dodi - they were full of pictures slagging then off on that yacht. One even had a supplement dedicated to the pics. In hindsight I wish I had bought them.
I think they are being too kind to Charles in these episodes. Personally I can’t imagine him crying so much for her. Maybe for the impact in the short term for him and possibly the boys. But in the long term it probably helped his ‘situation’.
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Yes I heard about the first edition papers they had to pull them in really fast and print Saint Diana is dead ones instead.
 
petitspois said:
The whole of The Crown has been like that though, we just prefer to view historical times with a rose tinted lens whereas we can't so much with the modern day as we remember it personally.
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I think this is my problem with The Crown. Absolutely loved the first three seasons then started to go off it. I never finished the last one because I had lived through it all and found it all to be a bit rubbish. I may have to revisit though.
 
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