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veronica71 said:
I think Iā€™ve said this before but I think itā€™s a real shame when you see all the ups and downs in a five set match that the women donā€™t play five sets. Men can play rubbish for an hour and still come back and win.
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I see a lot of people give tit to the women for the lower ranked players reaching the final 8, but if the men played BO3 even for the first 4 rounds there would be such different results. Day 1 alone Shelton, Tiafoe, Bublik, Altmaier and Thompson would have all been out, it can set up a completely different tournament.
 
hannah123 said:
I see a lot of people give tit to the women for the lower ranked players reaching the final 8, but if the men played BO3 even for the first 4 rounds there would be such different results. Day 1 alone Shelton, Tiafoe, Bublik, Altmaier and Thompson would have all been out, it can set up a completely different tournament.
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Absolutely. Thinking back to Queens, and Draper beating Alcaraz: it would have been far far less likely at Wimbledon as Alcaraz would have the opportunity to claw it back. A few off-key games in BO3 and youā€™ve as good as lost the match šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø
 
londongirl2001 said:
Female athletes work and train to the best of their physical abilities too, so they absolutely deserve to be paid the same as men. Saying otherwise is sexist and pretty misogynistic tbh. Female football players play the same amount of match time as men and still get paid much much less. If you start insisting that this should be the case in tennis too (instead of arguing that maybe female football teams should get paid the same!), then where does that lead to?
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Football players are all paid differently (players in the same team earning different amounts, regardless of their gender).
Tennis is not set up this way, so I understand what the original poster is saying, regarding pro rata.

I get paid the same as a male colleague in my job, as I do the same work - for the same hours.
This is still not the case regarding pay for all workers, as we know. The issue of local authorities paying less in ā€œunskilledā€ roles that women tend to carry out - in comparison to jobs that men are more likely to do (again in an ā€œunskilled role).
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
Women have been asking for five sets for decades (since the BJK era, I believe); as was mentioned up-thread, five sets gives you much more of a chance for a comeback after a dodgy set (or even two dodgy sets), and almost all of the the edge-of-the-seat classics are five-setters.

Tennis associations refuse as they say they havenā€™t got the capacity to fit women playing five sets into the schedules šŸ™„

So yes, in terms of time on actual court itā€™s certainly a higher rate of return. But itā€™s a huge shame that the three-set max for the womenā€™s makes for fewer classic matches compared to menā€™s and, to my mind, is a large factor in why womenā€™s tennis is deemed ā€˜lesserā€™ than menā€™s. šŸ˜•
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This, it's holding the Women's game back massively. The Tennis authorities are really holding the game back. They're also chipping away at the doubles formats. Only about 300 pro Tennis players of both sexes make money from being on the Tour, many of who will only be clearing about Ā£100k a year, if that and that pool is shrinking, compare that with Football where, in just the UK, more than 300 pro footballers will be making in excess of a million a year.
 
Miss Havisham said:
Football players are all paid differently (players in the same team earning different amounts, regardless of their gender).
Tennis is not set up this way, so I understand what the original poster is saying, regarding pro rata.

I get paid the same as a male colleague in my job, as I do the same work - for the same hours.
This is still not the case regarding pay for all workers, as we know. The issue of local authorities paying less in ā€œunskilledā€ roles that women tend to carry out - in comparison to jobs that men are more likely to do (again in an ā€œunskilled role).
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People need to decide if they want it the same based on interest or based on effort. The womenā€™s US Open final got 3.4 million viewers in America last year but the menā€™s only got 2.3 million, I believe the womenā€™s in general gets more viewers in America, so should Coco have been paid more? If itā€™s based on effort and number of sets, then all of the tour events that are ATP & WTA need to be brought in line because the men and women do BO3 but the women get paid less for those events šŸ™„

Not specifically at you, but somehow no matter the reasoning people just want to tit on womenā€™s sport and always find a reason to bring them down even when sensible arguments are put in front of them. Itā€™s not the womenā€™s fault the WTA is ran by a bunch of idiots and the slams help to level that out.
 
hannah123 said:
The womenā€™s US Open final got 3.4 million viewers in America last year but the menā€™s only got 2.3 million
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I think that was due to an American being in the final and no NFL game on whereas there was for the men's.

3.4m is very small for the US, but that's as it's on ESPN.

I think the BBC figures for the Wimbledon finals give a more accurate picture to judge viewership as it's not biased by nationality and a huge event clashing with it:

11.3m peak for the men's final 2023
4.5m peak for the women's final 2023

Appears to back up the men's final tickets selling for three times the price.

www.sportspromedia.com

Carlos Alcarazā€™s Wimbledon final triumph peaks at 11.3m on BBC - SportsPro

The Spaniard's first Wimbledon title win was live streamed 4.1m times on BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport online.
www.sportspromedia.com www.sportspromedia.com
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hannah123 said:
Itā€™s not the womenā€™s fault the WTA is ran by a bunch of idiots
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It's infuriating how badly the WTA is run. They need to sack 90% of their employees and start again from the ground up. But they're a broke mess and don't have the resources to invest. Without the Chinese and Saudi money the organisation wouldn't stay afloat.
 
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hannah123 said:
People need to decide if they want it the same based on interest or based on effort. The womenā€™s US Open final got 3.4 million viewers in America last year but the menā€™s only got 2.3 million, I believe the womenā€™s in general gets more viewers in America, so should Coco have been paid more? If itā€™s based on effort and number of sets, then all of the tour events that are ATP & WTA need to be brought in line because the men and women do BO3 but the women get paid less for those events šŸ™„

Not specifically at you, but somehow no matter the reasoning people just want to tit on womenā€™s sport and always find a reason to bring them down even when sensible arguments are put in front of them. Itā€™s not the womenā€™s fault the WTA is ran by a bunch of idiots and the slams help to level that out.
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Unless the ATP and WTA events are joint, then what the players are paid needs to be based on income, rather than sex, whether thatā€™s ticket sales or TV rights.
 
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