Strictly Come Dancing 2024 #11

Should this years SCD be scrapped?

  • Yes

    Votes: 170 35.5%

  • No

    Votes: 238 49.7%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 71 14.8%
  • Total voters
    479
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Fillyjonk said:
About bloody time. He needs to go, racist POS.
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It’s appalling that he not only got away with it at the time (15 years ago it was most definitely not an acceptable word) but he has been rewarded since with his own shows, becoming a judge etc. Do they really wonder why the pros think they can get away with treating people like shit when he is living proof you can do what the fuck you want.
 
Boogs said:
It’s appalling that he not only got away with it at the time (15 years ago it was most definitely not an acceptable word) but he has been rewarded since with his own shows, becoming a judge etc. Do they really wonder why the pros think they can get away with treating people like shit when he is living proof you can do what the fuck you want.
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Was this reported on at the time?
 
surlook said:
Ok here goes: Zara was not a good dancer. She was clunky and had no rhythm. She probably would have been out in week 2 or 3 if Graziano hadn't worked her so hard. Given what we know now, maybe she should have left in week 2! We'll never know and that is up to Zara to decide.
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Just to clarify, as I’m not entirely clear on your line of reasoning: given that Zara is not a natural mover, it would have been better if she was eliminated early doors; unfortunately she was not, and so Graziano had no choice but to physically abuse her in order to try to drag her up to a passable standard, what with her being ‘clunky’ and lacking in rhythm. Is that the gist?
 
surlook said:
Before I say what I am going to say - I want to make it clear that I do not agree with the pros treating contestants badly! Absolutely not - there is no need for physical or verbal abuse.

Ok here goes: Zara was not a good dancer. She was clunky and had no rhythm. She probably would have been out in week 2 or 3 if Graziano hadn't worked her so hard. Given what we know now, maybe she should have left in week 2! We'll never know and that is up to Zara to decide.

The contestants learn entire dances, to a very high standard, in a week. Most of the contestants can't dance to begin with. Do we really believe that they progress and improve every week without high pressure? This is where the show is flawed. Many of the contestants are still working their day jobs and the pros are also trying to do theirs - which is to teach these difficult dances.

It will be interesting to see if the standard of dancing drops now.
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To me this goes back to some of the judges comments. Are some pros pushing harder thinking they will save the celeb from negative comments?

This escalates each year until we have pros thinking it's ok to physically abuse celebs when their standard isn't as high as the pro/judges are hoping for.

Again, this does not excuse the disgusting behaviour we are hearing about, but there seems to be pressure on the pro to get the best out of a celeb, but no set boundaries for judges comments.

If the pros are being subject to tightening of conduct, so should the judges.
 
surlook said:
Before I say what I am going to say - I want to make it clear that I do not agree with the pros treating contestants badly! Absolutely not - there is no need for physical or verbal abuse.

Ok here goes: Zara was not a good dancer. She was clunky and had no rhythm. She probably would have been out in week 2 or 3 if Graziano hadn't worked her so hard. Given what we know now, maybe she should have left in week 2! We'll never know and that is up to Zara to decide.

The contestants learn entire dances, to a very high standard, in a week. Most of the contestants can't dance to begin with. Do we really believe that they progress and improve every week without high pressure? This is where the show is flawed. Many of the contestants are still working their day jobs and the pros are also trying to do theirs - which is to teach these difficult dances.

It will be interesting to see if the standard of dancing drops now.
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Okay so should schoolteachers hit, kick and spit at the less bright students to make sure they pass their exams? Good teachers find a way to garner improvements without having to resort to bullying.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Shirley absolutely loved him didn't she? I think it was on one show she berated a contestant (can't remember who she hated at the time) with her usual stern 'it's week 5 now and you really should be able to do that step' then when it came to Dan came out with her 'what people have to remember is it's only week 5 and so to even attempt that step at all is amazing. Bravo' type stuff.
Quite why the public kept him in is baffling though.
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Ugh, remember her being like that last year with Bobby, he could do no wrong.
And meanwhile Nigel was getting the 'it's week two now we expect more' treatment. Of course Nigel was with Katya and Shirley acts like Katya is invisible.

Fleur also got the 'it's week two' treatment the year before, but Shirley sort of changed her tune with her as the weeks went on.
 
surlook said:
Was this reported on at the time?
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Yes it was. It was reported to the BBC , it was in the press and dealt with. He apologised and Laila Rouass accepted it. He did nearly lose his job over it. I'm not sure why it has been brought up again unless there is some bandwagon jumping going on. It does seem like every man and his dog seems to have an issue with something on Strictly now. It's like the James Jordan stuff they were showing. That was shown on the BBC at the time. Now it's news.

The only thing we know for certain is that Graziano was appalling to Zara and sacked immediately.
 
glasgow27 said:
Wah-wah-wah:
www.mirror.co.uk

Anton Du Beke is fourth Strictly star at centre of 'serious misconduct' probe

Anton Du Beke is bracing himself for a legal complaint from law-firm Carter Ruck over historic allegations concerning his former dance partner Laila Rouass
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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Not for one second saying that Anton has done nothing wrong, but this was dealt with at the time. It's a bit weird that one comment (that we know of) has come back a decade and a half later.

It states in the article that Laila accepted his apology at the time. Now, if she felt pressured into accepting that apology at the time or there's more to this story than we have heard, then it's only right that his behaviour is looked into.

I do worry, though, that the media just want to throw anything and everything at strictly to see what sticks.
 
glasgow27 said:
Wah-wah-wah:
www.mirror.co.uk

Anton Du Beke is fourth Strictly star at centre of 'serious misconduct' probe

Anton Du Beke is bracing himself for a legal complaint from law-firm Carter Ruck over historic allegations concerning his former dance partner Laila Rouass
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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Is this actually true (in that Carter Ruck are on the case; I know it’s true in that it happened, as I watched it at the time), or are the tabloids just trawling through every bit of dodgy Strictly history in the hope that they get a bullseye sooner or later?

Or is it a case of Carter Ruck collating evidence to support a claim of a toxic working environment? Because, as disgraceful as Anton’s comment was, I don’t see what legal action could ensue from it now.
Is LR instigating legal action against Anton? Or against the BBC? Or has she just been asked to comment on her experience of the show?
It’s not clear from the article what is or is not happening here 🤷‍♀️
 
Samantha Stephens said:
To me this goes back to some of the judges comments. Are some pros pushing harder thinking they will save the celeb from negative comments?

This escalates each year until we have pros thinking it's ok to physically abuse celebs when their standard isn't as high as the pro/judges are hoping for.

Again, this does not excuse the disgusting behaviour we are hearing about, but there seems to be pressure on the pro to get the best out of a celeb, but no set boundaries for judges comments.

If the pros are being subject to tightening of conduct, so should the judges.
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The judging has a lot to answer for. Imo there is no reason that celebs with no previous experience couldn't be judged on a lower scale and those with on a higher scale, rather like foundation and higher papers at gcse. The better dancers could perhaps add more technical/harder choreography etc.
 
Samantha Stephens said:
Not for one second saying that Anton has done nothing wrong, but this was dealt with at the time. It's a bit weird that one comment (that we know of) has come back a decade and a half later.

It states in the article that Laila accepted his apology at the time. Now, if she felt pressured into accepting that apology at the time or there's more to this story than we have heard, then it's only right that his behaviour is looked into.

I do worry, though, that the media just want to throw anything and everything at strictly to see what sticks.
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This is exactly how I feel and I just think it dilutes the current serious investigations into Graziano and Gino. Are they going to go back to series 1? There has always been some sort of controversy with Strictly from the very beginning. Natasha Kaplinsky shagging Brendan when he was with Camilla Dallerup onwards ...
 
oldjamfan said:
Okay so should schoolteachers hit, kick and spit at the less bright students to make sure they pass their exams? Good teachers find a way to garner improvements without having to resort to bullying.
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That is not what I am saying and I have made that clear. There is no excuse for how he behaved.
 
Maybe Laila is still upset by how it was handled - I can imagine pressure was put on her to 'accept' his apology - or there was more going on behind the scenes. She said years later the experience was 'a nightmare'.

It says she hasn't made an official complaint. Hopefully this will torpedo the Anton and FR shenanigans anyway.
 
Geetbo said:
I’d imagine the point is that if abusing your partner is a sacking offence now, why are people who abused their partner still working on the show?
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People stuff up and make mistakes. It happenes all the time in all walks of life. Pretty sure I've made my fair share of cock ups over the years.
As long as the person is contrite and it is an obvious one off and not a pattern of behaviour people deserve a second chance. Most work places have discipline procedures that involve informal words of advice, formal warnings and then sackings. It would be awful to live and work in a world where no one gets a second chance.

Obviously assaulting and spitting at your partner goes straight to sacking. He did actually get 2 warnings previously so that was obviously a pattern of behaviour and he deserves to thrown to the wolves for that.
 
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