Strictly Come Dancing 2022 #32

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Glaschelle said:
Jings we're really rewriting through rules now arent we!!! They make a big thing about saying "based on the dance off alone" So surely if someone makes a mistake and the other dancer doesn't that should have am effect. Anton scored them the same for dance and used this as his reason for voting for Will.

And yes. Will didn't get enough support from.the public. Maybe if the show had been on its usual Saturday,, he would have picked up more voters who are busy on a Sunday.

And likewise, Fleur shouldn't bother turning up for the final cos she's spent half the series in the dance off and obviously doesn't have a fan base - outwith this forum

I.would prefer if we were just honest - Fluer mucked up but the judges wanted her in the final - hence why they voted her through.

As I said before - I'm still raging about Austin Healy who ended up in a similar situation.
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Anton said only this series that the dance off performance doesn't have to be perfect. Fleur's routine was way better than Will's. Also, do you really think that Fleur is the first person to win a dance off after a slight mistake? People are acting like she fell in all of the lifts but still got through. People are only moaning about Will leaving because they don't like Fleur.

Anyway, Fleur is in the final so people should get over it. She isn't the most popular celeb but people do like her. Also, Ore Oduba won Strictly after more than one dance off. Not saying that will happen to Fleur!
 
I don't think the wrong person went last night. Yes, Fleur made a mistake in the dance off but she had a lot more actual technique and content in her routine to judge - Will was let down by doing his CC in the dance off. For a street dance routine, it was very basic. Most of us could have probably done it. I really don't think CCs belong in the semi final because the judges cannot judge them. If he had done his paso, taken the judges comments on board and made no mistakes then he may well have stayed.
 
JCMSadie said:
One mistake doesn't negate a whole dance, especially when that dance is technically more complex than your competitor's 🤷🏼‍♀️
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But this highlights the ambiguity of things - I could be wrong but my understanding is it is based on that dance only and if there are mistakes in that dance then it should count against them, regardless of what their competitor is dancing. Fleur made mistakes and annoyingly I don’t think Will did.

But I think it raises the question of whether couple’s choice should be danced in the latter rounds - I’d happily see it binned altogether but the whole “no rules” thing gives them an automatic advantage and as long as they’re in time then it would seem street choices score ridiculously high (in most cases). If Will had gone through, it would have been unfair on Fleur.

I absolutely think TPTB do mix things to suit whatever narrative they want to portray on any given week and overall.

Anton is going to be on Lorraine at 9.45
 
I think the public felt a bit sorry for Molly as they realised she was one of the better dancers so she missed the dance off. Fleur doesn't seem to connect but she does have a great energy so is capable of pulling off a more gymnastic show dance.

I think the public just recognised that Will's dances were tit so he was is the dance off.

If Hamza can repeat his Ecuador dance then sort out the timing issues on his couple's choice then I think he's got it in the bag.
 
I've seen a lot of people on Twitter etc complaining that anyone who's been in more than two dance-offs should be an automatic boot. I guess it's something that the show can think about but I think it would be a shame if Molly and Fleur were automatically kicked out just because the public don't like them as much as others. Ironically, most people seem delighted that Molly made the final after four dance-offs so there isn't much logic there.. For some reason Fleur is more of a lightning rod for viewers. Anyway, her and Molly know they've no chance so hopefully can enjoy the final.

Also, I think the show really did decide almost to turn on Will - high marks, overpraised and overmarked, then suddenly turning and giving him straight critique in the semi-final? no wonder he got whiplash! no idea what was happening there or if it was co-ordinated..
 
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I love Nancy but she expected to be in the final (which could be cos of never being in a DO) but did she really see him as that good?
He always 'tried my best' but the reality is he couldn't handle criticism so did he think he was perfect, did Nancy make him think he was perfect? Or did they both believe that couples choice was perfect and that all of the Northern demographic of England would vote for Manchester?

(GET RID OF CC!)

Looking forward to watching Monday's ITT this evening with a shot of icy vodka, it's gonna be intense😬

Hamza for the win🤞
 
Its a difficult one regarding the DO like some have pointed out is it fair if a good dancer goes because the public don't like them compared to a not so good dancer the people prefer? but I still think if they have been in the bottom two more then twice then the judges need to take that into consideration as well. Maybe they should just scrape the DO and whoever gets the least votes goes home.
 
Along with the CC get rid of the DO too!

Do the red light thing of "you're in, you're in, you're in."
And then the 2 couples with the least votes are "you".. have the singing/Robbie Williams music/pro rumba interlude....
"the other couple with the least votes is...you".

The judges blah blah with Claudia and then over to Tess " the couple with the least votes out of you 2 is.....you're out".

Done.

coconochanel said:
Its a difficult one regarding the DO like some have pointed out is it fair if a good dancer goes because the public don't like them compared to a not so good dancer the people prefer? but I still think if they have been in the bottom two more then twice then the judges need to take that into consideration as well. Maybe they should just scrape the DO and whoever gets the least votes goes home.
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Great minds! 😄
 
LennyBriscoe said:
But this highlights the ambiguity of things - I could be wrong but my understanding is it is based on that dance only and if there are mistakes in that dance then it should count against them, regardless of what their competitor is dancing. Fleur made mistakes and annoyingly I don’t think Will did.

But I think it raises the question of whether couple’s choice should be danced in the latter rounds - I’d happily see it binned altogether but the whole “no rules” thing gives them an automatic advantage and as long as they’re in time then it would seem street choices score ridiculously high (in most cases). If Will had gone through, it would have been unfair on Fleur.

I absolutely think TPTB do mix things to suit whatever narrative they want to portray on any given week and overall.

Anton is going to be on Lorraine at 9.45
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Definitely seems to be a double standard and Anton sortof stuck to the dance off rules...but based on the 2 dances they had both done, Will had one technical one and one easy one and of the 2 he predictably chose the easier one for the DO whereas both of Fleurs were technically more difficult. I just think Wills in his arrogance thought he had it in the bag tbh.

And maybe I'm wrong but I don't actually think him and Nancy like each other. Their whole dynamic seems to be off and the occasional side eye is very telling!
 
I find the attitude that people who've been in multiple dance offs should just be automatically eliminated to be quite ridiculous. The audience can vote on whatever criteria they like, but the judges are supposed to judge the dance, so of course they will put the better dancer through, even if they're in the dance off every week. I've also seen quite a few people with the frankly bizarre belief that a ringer being in the bottom 2 multiple times means no one enjoys their dances or wants to see them next week. I don't often vote for ringers, but it's sure as hell not because I want them out, it's because they generally don't need my help to get through. Especially in the first few weeks; I've rarely voted for a good dancer before the halfway point, before that I vote for people who seem to show potential for improvement, or pity votes for the duffers if I like them.

That said, I find the whole dance off thing to be stupid, and only there to fill an extra time slot. The judges should choose based on who has been better overall, like they have started doing on the American and Australian ones, rather than the ridiculous pretense that they choose 'based on that dance and that dance alone' when it's plain that they do take overall performance into account when it suits them.

On DWTS AU in 2020, I quite enjoyed the judges saving a duffer over a technically better dancer in week 3, because they thought he had more potential for improvement, and she wasn't trying hard enough. She was one of those ones who clearly thought being a young, slim pretty female would get her to the final with zero effort. Laughed my arse off when Craig declared 'dull as dishwater, darling' and then sent her packing in favour of a football player he'd given a 2 to the previous week. 😂
 
I see the argument for getting rid of the dance off. It would defo make it more exciting and I do think the judges manipulate the leaderboard with their mental scoring, and probably have too much influence. But I don’t think a final of duffers would make great viewing which might happen if it was solely down to the public vote.

Maybe bring in the dance off at the QF stage to ensure a balanced final but have everything before that decided by the viewers? Or the other way round, idk?
 
coconochanel said:
Its a difficult one regarding the DO like some have pointed out is it fair if a good dancer goes because the public don't like them compared to a not so good dancer the people prefer? but I still think if they have been in the bottom two more then twice then the judges need to take that into consideration as well. Maybe they should just scrape the DO and whoever gets the least votes goes home.
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God no. I'd be in favour of reducing the power of the public vote rather than increasing it
 
wibblywobblywoo said:
Definitely seems to be a double standard and Anton sortof stuck to the dance off rules...but based on the 2 dances they had both done, Will had one technical one and one easy one and of the 2 he predictably chose the easier one for the DO whereas both of Fleurs were technically more difficult. I just think Wills in his arrogance thought he had it in the bag tbh.

And maybe I'm wrong but I don't actually think him and Nancy like each other. Their whole dynamic seems to be off and the occasional side eye is very telling!
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I believe for DO you have to dance the highest scoring dance of the 2, no personal choice allowed?


I never saw any warmth/connection in their ITT appearances nor the training "funny ha ha" video clips, so the whole last dance hug/heads together was like a paradox of their behaviour
 
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I think CC should be scrapped full stop. I loved Rosie and Gio's but apart from that cant remember any others as most of them are crap. The problem with 'the judges judging the DO on the best dance' is that during the show they dont always give the best dance the most points! sometimes one celeb who has danced an average dance gets more points than another celeb who has danced fabulous so THATS the first thing that needs to be sorted the random bloody scoring!
 
I think the DO is there to protect against the public just putting likeable blokes through week after week at the expense of your Alexandra Burkes. I don't think, ultimately, looking at the order of exits this year, it's wildly out of sync with ability etc. Both Molly and Fleur have been in the DO loads but have also done popular dances and Fleur in particular 3 of the most memorable dances of the series (AT, samba, CC). And who doesn't want to see Carlos giving everything to a Prince medley??
 
Perhaps they need to tighten up how the judges judge! There seems to be a massive discrepancy in how they judge. I'm not always a fan of how Craig puts his critique across but he definitely is consistent and points out why he marks how he does whereas Anton just seems to make a lot of noise and then gives a 10 anyway!

If it was down to the public it would definitely be based on personality and likeability and not dancing ....and Molly and Fleur would be long gone by now, and imo both deserve to be in the final although imo neither will win!
 
Newbie to this thread in it's final week!

I used to hate the CCs. Most of them are shite tbh. But then this year I loved Hamzas CC and Helens was brilliant too. I wasn't blown away with Fleurs CC but it was very "her" and it's telling that the only 10 that Craig has given because there were no ballroom/latin moves or details for him to critique. He should have given Helen a 10 for hers but because he familiar with it decided to pick out minute details.

I don't think they should be allowed do the CC in the dance off because of that, it's not a fair judge - some CCs like Helens are technically very difficult, and then there's Wills which wasn't at all. Anton may have judged on Fleurs dismount error - but how is he to know the errors that Will probably did while stomping around ruining some 90s classics?
 
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