Strictly Come Dancing 2022 #2

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lizzolyn said:
Other BBC presenters/actors haven't won so I cant buy the theory it was because Ore was a BBC presenter. Stacey had the 'down to earth girl' image plus no female had won in 3 years behind her as well; she was the favourite from quite early on regardless.

True they do like an underdog!



He made mistakes in the final?? Didn't know that! As his show dance wasn't as good as Ore's it does mean Danny I guess ran out of steam by the final night.
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He tripped or was out of time for a bit in his quickstep, and I think there might have been a slight error in the showdance? But still better dancer than Ore though

Tbh, at the time it did feel like the momentum was with Ore a bit on the night so wasn't massively surprised that he won. But a lot of that momentum was because of the show pushing him (Gene Kelly's widow etc)
 
LennyBriscoe said:
Of course it is - I wasn’t uncalmy suggesting it wasn’t.

It just shows it’s different strokes for different folks - they were both worthy winners but I think they worked to get it. I don’t agree with the post yesterday that Kelvin won it with the salsa. I think Bill wasn’t the best dancer but brought something special as the competition went on.

Genuine question - do you think you would you have thought the same about Kelvin and Bill if they weren’t partnered with Oti?
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I calmly disagreed with the point thats what I meant.

Genuine Answer - I would have thought the same regardless; just like Rose, Jay and Caroline for example, no one was stopping them winning. I picked Bill and Kelvin as they were the most recent example and what people would remember more clearly.
 
lizzolyn said:
I calmly disagreed with the point thats what I meant.

Genuine Answer - I would have thought the same regardless; just like Rose, Jay and Caroline for example, no one was stopping them winning. I picked Bill and Kelvin as they were the most recent example and what people would remember more clearly.
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I knew what you meant, I’m not arguing with you!

I genuinely thought HRVY was in with a shout but I never thought Maisie wouldn’t win. I voted for Caroline but I didn’t think it was in the bag for her - I had Frankie and Kevin down for the win. And this year, even before AJ (sorry!) had to pull out, I thought John and Johannes were going to win.

I am really interested in other proper’s opinions because I don’t look at things as deeply as some.
 
I was a massive Danny and Oti fan from their first dance onwards and was gutted he didn’t win so I am biased but his dance background didn’t help him. He came out and smashed it from Week 1 so I can see why that put the audience off. Also, he made a mistake in his first dance in the final and Ore’s Showdance was brilliant - it’s one of my absolute favourites.

However, there was a big narrative focused on Ore and the Cliftons in general. All three Cliftons had contenders that year - Will Young, Ore and Louise - and there was a vibe that all three being in the final was something the producers were aiming for. And Ore was heavily pushed from his AS in Week 3 when he danced to Singin’ in the Rain. Suddenly he was described as this Gene Kelly type and they even went as far as flying in Gene Kelly’s widow to sit in the audience for when he reprised it in the final. That was in spite of Danny’s own AS being far more Gene Kelly-esque. Also, Len made a big point of how Ore had never danced before and that was repeated over and over with Len even giving a speech in the final about how Ore was the only finalist with no dance experience and exactly what Strictly is all about.

I don’t think it was a big BBC conspiracy but there was definitely a narrative running throughout the series that benefited Ore over Danny. And I think so many people talk about him being robbed because, while there‘s been quite a few phenomenal female celebrities, there’s not really another male celebrity who has come close to Danny.
 
It would be amazing to see someone like Danny on the show again.

Surely there must be someone out there strictly can get? Probably someone with performance/theatre type background?
 
lizzolyn said:
It would be amazing to see someone like Danny on the show again.

Surely there must be someone out there strictly can get? Probably someone with performance/theatre type background?
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There have been a couple of mentions on the Carrie Hope Fletcher thread of her following in Tom’s footsteps and doing Strictly…but a few posters don’t think she’d cut the mustard.
 
This year will be interesting to see if there is a proper ringer or two as there really wasn’t one last year. I just wonder if this new producer is wanting to move towards a cast of complete novices as the ringers get quite a lot of negative attention.
 
raghoney said:
Blake Harrison would be fab I think.
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Can he dance properly? I know he was in the west end and he did some robot dancing in The Inbetweeners.

I think a ringer needs to have a certain sex appeal...which....ahem I dont think he does; he seems a bit gangly.

Guitarwarrior said:
This year will be interesting to see if there is a proper ringer or two as there really wasn’t one last year. I just wonder if this new producer is wanting to move towards a cast of complete novices as the ringers get quite a lot of negative attention.
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It would be good to get a youngish male ringer on that people could go for like a Danny Mac but finding them are a dime a dozen.
 
jfletcher said:
Also, Len made a big point of how Ore had never danced before and that was repeated over and over with Len even giving a speech in the final about how Ore was the only finalist with no dance experience and exactly what Strictly is all about.
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Apart from the secret lessons he had before the show 😉

[source: I have a connection with a member of that year’s cast, it was common knowledge backstage that he made sure he got some pre-training training in the bag. He’s far from the only one to have ever done that, of course: Abbey Clancey & Zoe Ball did too. Doubtless there are many others as well. I can’t slate them for it: I’d do exactly the same if I was faced with the prospect of dancing live on tv in front of millions of people!]

LennyBriscoe said:
John Barrowman might be free 😬
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Yeah, I reckon he’s likely to find that there are a few gaps in his schedule for the foreseeable future!

His Christmas QS with Kristina was pretty good, from what I remember. Back then I bet the bbc would have loved to have nabbed him for the main show.
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
Apart from the secret lessons he had before the show 😉

[source: I have a connection with a member of that year’s cast, it was common knowledge backstage that he made sure he got some pre-training training in the bag. He’s far from the only one to have ever done that, of course: Abbey Clancey & Zoe Ball did too. Doubtless there are many others as well. I can’t slate them for it: I’d do exactly the same if I was faced with the prospect of dancing live on tv in front of millions of people!]
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Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest!! And it always comes out. Which is why if AJ had had any training we surely would have heard about it long before now
 
Yes, Danny's big problem was also that he didn't have a #narrative. He was brilliant from the jump, good-looking in a way that was almost too good-looking, and a nice personality but not particularly memorable. He had a stable gf (also a soap star). Couple that with ringerdom and he was doomed. People loved Ore's 'authenticity' - my sister adored him because he wasn't trained, he cried a lot etc

I do wonder how Kelvin escaped the Danny narrative, especially when he came out so strongly on day 1. Was it because there was a perception of him as not trained/more earthy?
 
soccergirl said:
Yes, Danny's big problem was also that he didn't have a #narrative. He was brilliant from the jump, good-looking in a way that was almost too good-looking, and a nice personality but not particularly memorable. He had a stable gf (also a soap star). Couple that with ringerdom and he was doomed. People loved Ore's 'authenticity' - my sister adored him because he wasn't trained, he cried a lot etc

I do wonder how Kelvin escaped the Danny narrative, especially when he came out so strongly on day 1. Was it because there was a perception of him as not trained/more earthy?
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kelvin definitely benefitted from the “reserve” narrative - so many of my work colleagues were saying isn’t he doing well from no training, can you believe he wasn’t even meant to be in the show etc. like you say, once people can find a narrative with a contestant on strictly then it’s plain sailing tbh 🤣

he also, to my memory, had a few weeks “dip” where his comments weren’t as good as usual, which also always helps.

likewise jay, maybe one of the other male “ringers”, did well because of his shyness. people immediately latched onto look how nervous he is isn’t he lovely even though he obviously had some degree of dance background.

the average strictly voter loves a narrative! unless it’s a pretty younger female celeb, in which case they’re very selective 🤣

i should say though that, following on from my post above, that the one winner i do not understand (either from a narrative or dance pov) is joe macfadden. he seemed likeable enough and i liked his argentine tango but i never understood what about him made him the winner. unless holly city was way more popular than i realised!
 
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There hasn't really been another Danny but of the male ringers since, they've mostly either been frantic CBBC presenters or partnered with Janette.

Quite a few people seemed to fancy Kelvin plus the reserve storyline probably helped him avoid being branded a ringer.

I imagine there could be another really good male (hopefully this year) but they need the right pro and not just some dance experience, but a natural ability and versatility rather than just being stuck in one style and not really being able to unlearn bad habits.
 
LaBlonde said:
kelvin definitely benefitted from the “reserve” narrative - so many of my work colleagues were saying isn’t he doing well from no training, can you believe he wasn’t even meant to be in the show etc. like you say, once people can find a narrative with a contestant on strictly then it’s plain sailing tbh 🤣

he also, to my memory, had a few weeks “dip” where his comments weren’t as good as usual, which also always helps.

likewise jay, maybe one of the other male “ringers”, did well because of his shyness. people immediately latched onto look how nervous he is isn’t he lovely even though he obviously had some degree of dance background.

the average strictly voter loves a narrative! unless it’s a pretty younger female celeb, in which case they’re very selective 🤣

i should say though that, following on from my post above, that the one winner i do not understand (either from a narrative or dance pov) is joe macfadden. he seemed likeable enough and i liked his argentine tango but i never understood what about him made him the winner. unless holly city was way more popular than i realised!
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It's all about that narrative, isn't it? I suppose it makes sense because it is reality tv so storylines are key. There has to be a narrative that viewers can root for - the shy performer finding their confidence, the late addition dazzling everyone with his first dance, the older celebrity being unexpectedly delightful, the deaf actress with wonderful musicality.

I wasn't a big fan of Joe's season and Katya's choreography definitely played a part in his win but I also feel like he won slightly by default. Gemma was rounding out the numbers in the final, Alexandra was divisive with the audience and Debbie was criticised for her dance experience. In a weaker season, Joe ended up winning without being particularly noteworthy.
 
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