Sara Sharif case #2

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I think US will get murder, BB manslaughter and I think FM will be found NG. I believe however all should get murder as I can't see any circumstances where they were not aware of what went on and their refusal to defend themselves on the stand leads me to believe they were all involved in the actual murder and in the subsequent 'clean up'. The fact that they also all absconded is the final nail in it all. Innocent people dont need to run. I hope they throw the key away.
 
Reading her apologies and loveliness to them both has made me so sad. She sounds just like a typical 9/10 year old whose family is the centre of their world. It's made me so upset to think she was emotionally attached and dependent on people who treated her like an animal. I think it's got to me because she seemed great - a really cute, brave and friendly child that anyone should be privileged to call their child. Bastards. Absolute bastards.
 
As the burden of proof is the responsibility of the prosecution. Why didn't the prosecution call the step-mother and the uncle to take to the stand? Is it because you can't force someone to incriminate themselves?

Also, I've been watching too much Lincoln Lawyer so may be thinking of the American system. Apologies if I'm being dense.

I've read the entire previous thread - where did the two of her body come from?

I am utterly heartbroken for Sara and really hope she receives justice now. Reading all of this has made me feel ways I've never felt before. My oldest was the same age as Sara at the time of her death - it breaks me that she didn't get to live and grow. Grieving for that innocent little girl and praying she is at peace now.
 
They would have been interviewed under caution when they were arrested. The charges are formulated based on the evidence (interview and pathology, phone records etc) the CPS makes a decision on whether there is grounds for the evidence to stand up to the charges.

Murder is intent to kill or cause GBH.

Manslaughter includes a few, the most relevant is gross negligence manslaughter I think (the others are loss of control/diminished responsibility/unlawful act (like arson) without intent to kill)

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This case is going to turn on whether the jury believes each of them intended to cause GBH. Obviously they didn’t “intend” to kill her but tying her up and beating her with a cricket bat, strangling her, burning and biting her could be intent to cause GBH.

If that isn’t found, then the jury can consider manslaughter.
I would think they would all meet the threshold for Causing or Allowing the death of a child.

Also this bunch of cowards aren’t even giving answers about what happened, or helping Sara get justice and rest in peace, they’re despicable.
 
I think FM will get C/AD by having lived there and knowingly ignored (at the very least) what was happening.

The DNA on his own items won’t help him.

I do wonder what evidence has been brought in court but not reported - family court details, any additional phone records or work records, etc
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I can’t get past the eldest boy having messaged a friend to say Sara had died. What on earth did he think had happened, did he think she was unwell, was he conditioned to think she ‘deserved’ the ‘punishment’, or was he telling someone because he hoped they/parents could help.
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I think FM will get C/AD by having lived there and knowingly ignored (at the very least) what was happening.

The DNA on his own items won’t help him.

I do wonder what evidence has been brought in court but not reported - family court details, any additional phone records or work records, etc
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I can’t get past the eldest boy having messaged a friend to say Sara had died. What on earth did he think had happened, did he think she was unwell, was he conditioned to think she ‘deserved’ the ‘punishment’, or was he telling someone because he hoped they/parents could help.
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There must be so much more to come out, however I could live with not knowing what we know they did to Sara.
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I do wonder what evidence has been brought in court but not reported - family court details, any additional phone records or work records, etc
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HotesTilaire said:
There must be so much more to come out, however I could live with not knowing what we know they did to Sara.
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This has occurred to me only since BB & FM refused to take the stand. Imagine what else they might have said which would go against one another & US, like it wasn't bad enough.
Sara deserved a much better life than that which she got. I know people make mistakes but this was altogether inexcusable & the rage of this case that incites me to wish ill on these 3 I really hope is inflicted upon them.
 
We have heard it wasn't a single incident, but the cumulative effect so Manslaughter Gross Negligence seems likely, manslaughter by loss of control is out. Nobody has made a case of manslaughter by diminished responsibility. I don’t think the manslaughter via illegal act is relevant.

It would be easy to prove gross negligence as no medical treatment was ever sought.
 
Diminished responsibility is established in accordance with the Mental Capacity Act, I believe (happy to be corrected). Unfortunately, they all clearly knew what they were doing as evidenced by their clean-up attempt, fleeing the country to evade accountability, that bleeping video and their attempts to dispose of evidence. Therefore, they had capacity so cannot claim diminished responsibility.

The death of Shay Kang was determined manslaughter due to diminished responsibility. That was horrific and poor Sara's case is so much more disturbing.

Whilst it is clear that they didn't want Sara to die - primarily because they planned to torture her more (as evidenced by US beating her as she lay dying) their treatment of her was clearly likely to kill her. Even if we discount the burns and bite marks - cannot believe I've just typed that - would the majority of people know what repeatedly beating someone with a weapon could cause death? Would most people know that withholding food and/water could lead to death?

Surely the threshold for murder can be met?
 
They intended to seriously harm her, that’s the only burden they need to be found to have met to get murder. Brother and BB will have refused to give evidence and legally you can’t force a defendant to give evidence. You can compel a witness but not the defendant. They’re all deserving of stoning to death and if the jury can’t see that I truly lose hope for the CJS
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
I think FM will get C/AD by having lived there and knowingly ignored (at the very least) what was happening.

The DNA on his own items won’t help him.

I do wonder what evidence has been brought in court but not reported - family court details, any additional phone records or work records, etc
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I can’t get past the eldest boy having messaged a friend to say Sara had died. What on earth did he think had happened, did he think she was unwell, was he conditioned to think she ‘deserved’ the ‘punishment’, or was he telling someone because he hoped they/parents could help.
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Does anyone know or can direct me to the reporting of Sara’s brother texting his friend please
 
atlasiknow said:
Does anyone know or can direct me to the reporting of Sara’s brother texting his friend please
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The key dates in Sara Sharif’s tragic death after alleged ‘campaign of abuse’

A post-mortem examination found Sara Sharif had suffered dozens of injuries including ‘probable human bite marks’
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The marking it urgent, I think he was hoping for help
 
Yes the prosecution will be drawing together the threads that if you order rolls of tape and you or someone else is getting through tape because they use it to tie up a child and beat them, you understand that will mean GBH. And that if you fail to take that child to see a medic, you understand they could have been greatly harmed and suffering. If you burn a child with an iron and they have open weeping sores, and you don’t take them to a medic, you understand you caused them great suffering.

All 3 are in videos with Sara where she’s got marks on her face.

Theres also evidence to be referred to such as Sara’s notebook just being referenced, which mightcome up.

I think US’s KC will sum up that he didn’t mean it, BB’s will be that she was also a victim of US and she tried her best, FM’s will be I didn’t see nothing, honest.
 
Pavement1979 said:
Reading her apologies and loveliness to them both has made me so sad. She sounds just like a typical 9/10 year old whose family is the centre of their world. It's made me so upset to think she was emotionally attached and dependent on people who treated her like an animal. I think it's got to me because she seemed great - a really cute, brave and friendly child that anyone should be privileged to call their child. Bastards. Absolute bastards.
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As someone who was abused as a child I will say that she probably did genuinely blame herself for the abuse, and loved her abusive caregivers. But it's not a pure kind of love, it's interspersed with outbursts of hate and anger (which only invite more punishment) and you're very aware that you're the underdog, having to cringe and beg for love and walk on eggshells so it doesn't all go south again. You become really adept at reading the teeniest changes in your abusive caregiver's mood the way sailors can read teeny changes in cloud formations.

It's a proper headfuck.
 
US is in hell, apparently. Sounds like his and BB’s KCs have concluded.
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Sara Sharif’s father will be in eternal hell, court hears

Sara's father, Urfan Sharif, will be in the “circles of hell for eternity”, the Old Bailey hears.
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Didn’t see this yesterday - the Prosecution sums up, as expected he argued that they all knew what was happening to Sara in that house, and didn't get her any help.
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Sara Sharif suffered daily living hell, court hears

Sara's death happened amid a "culture of violence" that was "normalised" at home, a court hears.
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