Panorama - Online Abuse: Why Do You Hate Me? - BBC

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Tonight at 7.30 - Panorama about online abuse especially against women. Hopefully it will tackle genuine abuse eg rape and death threats, and not gossip sites.
I was just watching Politics Live discussing it and a very sensible woman (who gets trolled badly) said people being rude about famous people is a tradition that should be protected as free speech, and must not be confused with threats to security.

ETA the woman mentioned is Ellie Mae O'Hagan, a freelance journalist for The Guardian.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Tonight at 7.30 - Panorama about online abuse especially against women. Hopefully it will tackle genuine abuse eg rape and death threats, and not gossip sites.
I was just watching Politics Live discussing it and a very sensible woman (who gets trolled badly) said people being rude about famous people is a tradition that should be protected as free speech, and must not be confused with threats to security.
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I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??
 
Veronicaaa said:
I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??
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Agree - suspect it was largely due to Tory scum trending at the same time and people making out as if it was aimed at a recently murdered Tory MP.

Tbh the older I get the less I want to engage with twitter’s vitriol & extremities, it really truly is such a bubble that has very clear right/wrong opinions that most normal people don’t even think about. Weird place x
 
At least it will show that Facebook/ Instagram don't close down accounts guilty of the worst things - like threats of violence and rape. They do encourage an echo chamber to keep on their platform. Tattle is a world apart from that - there's no algorithms and anyone making even the most mild threats is banned instantly. In my experience when you report very disturbing threats to Instagram they reply and say it doesn't break their guidelines. 😳

"People were using explicitly gendered slurs - women being manipulative, women being sneaky, being sexual, women being evil or stupid."

There's an article on BBC news about the show with the above and ex love island contestants aka influencers. The whole influencer industry is summed up with manipulation and sneaky; is that really a gendered slur? Women are far more prevalent with influencing.

www.bbc.co.uk

I get abuse and threats online - why can't it be stopped?

Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police, government and social media sites doing more to stop it?
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Veronicaaa said:
I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??
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Yes it is wierd. They were combining the two today. A politician was saying there should be no anonymity online 'especially after recent events'. Like you I thought 'eh? What does that have to do with it?'
 
A few years ago, fb allowed different names (annon) I had a lot of safe friends on there and enjoyed being able to talk freely with them.

They changed to having actual names and showing ID and I ended up with a person who had been a huge danger in my life finding me :cry:

I understand why annon can be an issue, trolls who abuse people in the vilest manner hiding behind a keyboard mask is one thing indeed, but for others who want to have friends, community and contact, having every milli-grain of your life available to others is also an issue.

There has to be a middle ground really.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Yes it is wierd. They were combining the two today. A politician was saying there should be no anonymity online 'especially after recent events'. Like you I thought 'eh? What does that have to do with it?'
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The thing is anonymity is kinda important on tattle as we're discussing those in a position of power and influence.

People in a position of power can and do shut down others will bullshit legal threats as even if they're in the wrong they can still intimidate.

The whole idea that people chatting online is something new is ridiculous. I've been using message boards for over 20 years. Tattle is very mild. There's truely dangerous and damaging ones out there.
 
didn't want to join said:
A few years ago, fb allowed different names (annon) I had a lot of safe friends on there and enjoyed being able to talk freely with them.

They changed to having actual names and showing ID and I ended up with a person who had been a huge danger in my life finding me :cry:

I understand why annon can be an issue, trolls who abuse people in the vilest manner hiding behind a keyboard mask is one thing indeed, but for others who want to have friends, community and contact, having every milli-grain of your life available to others is also an issue.

There has to be a middle ground really.
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i agree. The people promoting this having identity to use sm are ridiculous. There are tons of victims of dv and the police are lax on these men, you only have to google to see this. Why should we trust random websites with our data? I would never hand my identity to any social media platform, not a chance. We should not be promoting giving social media platforms more power, a certain sm platform already has the running of many platforms and it doesn’t sit right with me. Their community standards only seem to work on silly things like calling men trash but comments about death, committing violent crimes against women and r*pe “jokes” seem to stand!
 
I do to so they are sensible! Fb is misogynistic, it’s a hateful place, I see much worse on the groups than on tattle! End of the day tattle doesn’t pretend to be something it isn’t, it’s clear it is about critiquing influencer and celeb culture, good and bad. Fb tries to pretend it’s so kind and lovely and it’s full of bile
 
Suebigfatsue87 said:
I do to so they are sensible! Fb is misogynistic, it’s a hateful place, I see much worse on the groups than on tattle! End of the day tattle doesn’t pretend to be something it isn’t, it’s clear it is about critiquing influencer and celeb culture, good and bad. Fb tries to pretend it’s so kind and lovely and it’s full of bile
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Absolutely!! Twitter is an absolute cesspit of nasty, horrible people
 
Suebigfatsue87 said:
End of the day tattle doesn’t pretend to be something it isn’t, it’s clear it is about critiquing influencer and celeb culture, good and bad. Fb tries to pretend it’s so kind and lovely and it’s full of bile
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Exactly, tattle is what it is. FB and Twitter try to pretend they're something that they're not - some of the worst comments on there they say don't even break their rules. Comments that are mild in comparison on tattle get taken down quickly - often in minutes. Influencers need to tell massive lies about what's posted here.
 
Yel said:
Exactly, tattle is what it is. FB and Twitter try to pretend they're something that they're not - some of the worst comments on there they say don't even break their rules. Comments that are mild in comparison on tattle get taken down quickly - often in minutes. Influencers need to tell massive lies about what's posted here.
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and tattle has clear rules and boundaries. Twitter and Facebook make it up as they go along depending on what's "in" at the time. They let someone like Trump run their mouth with out and out lies for years. It was only when it wasn't "in" to like him anymore that they banned him! They just care about engagement
 
Suebigfatsue87 said:
I do to so they are sensible! Fb is misogynistic, it’s a hateful place, I see much worse on the groups than on tattle! End of the day tattle doesn’t pretend to be something it isn’t, it’s clear it is about critiquing influencer and celeb culture, good and bad. Fb tries to pretend it’s so kind and lovely and it’s full of bile
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It’s also monitoring your internet, phone, and personal conversations it’s mining your contacts and selling your personal data
 
Big tech absolutely loved trump and how much it boosted their platform. Banning him just as he was leaving office was so transparent. A few news stories that came out after he lost could have got him over the line (I wont debate here if they were held back on purpose) and then I doubt they'd have banned him.
 
dancingqueen5678 said:
and tattle has clear rules and boundaries. Twitter and Facebook make it up as they go along depending on what's "in" at the time. They let someone like Trump run their mouth with out and out lies for years. It was only when it wasn't "in" to like him anymore that they banned him! They just care about engagement
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Twitter allows porn with no age limit to who can view.
 
I just saw Raab and a lot of others are speaking out against abuse on SM after a number of MPs have claimed they've suffered abuse and trolling online I wonder how far reaching it could be .

 
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