My Unorthodox life - Netflix

Non Jews can live in these areas too - I've read about there being a bit of conflict between the ultra orthodox (UO) communities and their non Jewish neighbours. At the height of lockdown last year, there were videos going round of mass gatherings of UO Jews in one of the New York boroughs. Unfortunately a lot of these people believe god will save them from COVID and wouldn't let lockdown disturb their lifestyle. They put the mitzvah (good deed) of mass prayer over the mitzvah of preserving life. I think their neighbours have every right to be annoyed at this as the UO Jews make up a good proportion of these neighbourhoods and if they were all disobeying lockdown rules, it can have a big effect on the cases in that particular area. Unfortunately like with every protest involving jews, there is going to be antisemitism involved which is obviously horrific. I live in a very Jewish area of Manchester and we had to have posters on the street to remind even modern orthodox jews that the covid rules still applied to them and that they couldn't just go about as they pleased just because the bible states that prayer in groups needs to take place multiple times a day.

We do have similar areas in the UK, just on a much smaller scale. Manchester and London have the highest Jewish population in the country so you'd most likely see UO jews walking around in the Jewish areas of those cities. They have very particular clothing - the men wear big fluffy hats and often tuck their trousers into their socks for some biblical reason that I have no idea about so you'd recognise them straight away. You might have to dig deeper into the neighbourhoods though as they often keep themselves to themselves and wouldn't venture out to big shopping centres or anything with too strong of a secular influence. The worldwide population of jews is so small anyway so the number of UO jews in the world is so so tiny. I think most of them reside in Israel or New York.

Julia seems to be rebelling because of how oppressed was in Monsey. I don't think they could legally kick her out of the supermarket for wearing what she wears but she would definitely get a lot of stares. I'm quite secular myself and don't believe in women having to dress 'modestly' for the sake of men ever whether it be because of the bible or slut shaming etc but if I were to go to the jewish supermarkets in my area, I wouldn't turn up in denim shorts and a crop top. I wasn't brought up being made to dress in colourless thermals all year round to not tempt men but because Julia was, its like she's proving to the people of Monsey that she can do what she wants and that she thinks modesty rules are a load of BS when she goes back to the area. If she wasn't tied to Monsey because of her son, I doubt she'd be back there often at all. She's lucky that she can go back whenever she pleases as some who leave the community are forced to cut ties altogether and never come back because of the shame they've brought on their families.

UO judaism is so odd to me as a jewish person myself who had a jewish education for 15 years so I can't even imagine having to get my head round it as a non jew 😂 I've been taught by rabbis who think UO judaism is batshit crazy but have wives who wear wigs and would never wear trousers which is ironic.
To be fair, you think they don’t venture out to big shopping areas - they do. I always see a few Bicester village, buying handbags etc. And even though you think they entirely keep to themselves, if you do have reason to engage with them, they are often very friendly!
 
Could the tucked-in trousers for the men be to reduce the chance of accidentally have their clothing touch a woman who isn’t their wife/mother?
 
I quite liked the show but got into Unorthodox even more, I was born into a Muslim family that was ‘liberal’ but my mum got a lot more heavily into religion when I was in my teens and it was a huge struggle dealing with the sudden clampdown on everyday freedoms.

From out of nowhere she began wearing the hijab and wanting me to cover up (though I was never actually made to wear the headscarf). Showing legs was considered ‘dirty’ and I wasn’t supposed go out after dark. Any sort of relationship with the opposite sex was forbidden. Fast forward twenty years and I still have a difficult relationship with her over it.

The blatant sexism I went through with her (I was told my brother would inherit 90% and I would get 10% simply for being female), that sex before marriage for him was not a huge deal but I would basically be a bleep if I did the same, the distrust of things she thinks are ‘new’ or ‘modern’ and the fact that she said she would never accept me ‘marrying out.’ So much in life that I wanted to do was ‘haram’ (forbidden).

I ended up rejecting her views, in fact a lot of the cultural and religious stuff massively, began to dress how I liked, got implants and all sorts lol so basically the antithesis of what she stands for and believes is right.

I saw quite a few similarities between the way Julia saw the ultra-Orthodox community and conservative Islam. For those who do grow up in families like this and don’t fit (or want to fit) the mould it can be such a struggle. Even all those years later I see a counsellor because of it.

I’m so glad shows like this are being shown. I was in tears watching Unorthodox and am really looking forward to seeing Season 2.
 
I was on a flight to New York a few weeks ago and there were a few Hasidic Jews on it. When they eventually got their bags into the overhead lockers and sat down they were downright rude to the female cabin crew. One of the Crew asked them a question and they stared straight ahead and didnt respond. They were up and down the plane during the whole flight and at one point I got up to go to the toilet and there was one in each corner covered in their shawls rocking backwards and forwards (I assumed they were praying). On the way back from NY there were a lot more of them but this time with their wives and children. We heard one say at the check in he needed an upgrade ‘because of the children’, sure enough he was in business, wife and kids were in economy. One wife had 5 little girls, pregnant with no.6 (God help her if it’s not a boy). She was dealing with all kids, pushchair, luggage and everything whilst Mr strode on ahead with just his hat in a hatbox!
 
🎤 New series alert - it’s a good one guys!!
just on the first episode, I am so intrigued about the silvio thing, it seems almost like he was abusive..

Sorry for just the stream of consciousness, Brad is totally using that assistant guy imo (his apartment in NY, house in Conneticut), the fact that he has been pretty much (as it seems) pushed into an open relationship, and is clearly insecure about his appearance is really difficult to watch. It seems like he just messaged him after seeing him on the show and in the pandemic wanted to live with him/lost his job and couldn't pay rent. Anyone else think this?
I also find it pretty depressing how materialistic they all are, going from a religion totally the opposite I kind of get it, but it is still depressing
 
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Wow, the twists and turns this season are making it quite the rollercoaster!
It sounds like Silvio was verbally abusive and a gaslighter at best, and physically abusive too at worse. It’s sad that he tried to control the adult children and showed no interest in learning about/participating in their family traditions ( Shabbas dinner, for example).
i’d heard that Julia embezzled money and wasn’t really a partner but was trying to claim shares or something, after the split, so it’sgood to be able to hear/see her side of things.
Thinking you’re going to have a simple, uncomplicated, amicable divorce to having the rug pulled out from your feet like that must have been really hard to stomach.
Learning about Julia’s past and childhood was so interesting. If her parents hadn’t joined the ultra-religious Jewish community back in Texas, I wonder how her life would have turned out?
Batsheba is indeed divorced from Ben. I think the main thing is he wanted to start a family and she wanted to wait a bit longer.
Maybe I’m old, but I just don’t get open relationships, like Robert and Ra’ad’s.
Robert is adopted, I believe?
I love Miriam and following her journey. Shlomo is slowly starting to date, he seems very sweet and shy.
Worried about Aron, I wish he could live with Julia permanently!
 
Wow, the twists and turns this season are making it quite the rollercoaster!
It sounds like Silvio was verbally abusive and a gaslighter at best, and physically abusive too at worse. It’s sad that he tried to control the adult children and showed no interest in learning about/participating in their family traditions ( Shabbas dinner, for example).
i’d heard that Julia embezzled money and wasn’t really a partner but was trying to claim shares or something, after the split, so it’sgood to be able to hear/see her side of things.
Thinking you’re going to have a simple, uncomplicated, amicable divorce to having the rug pulled out from your feet like that must have been really hard to stomach.
Learning about Julia’s past and childhood was so interesting. If her parents hadn’t joined the ultra-religious Jewish community back in Texas, I wonder how her life would have turned out?
Batsheba is indeed divorced from Ben. I think the main thing is he wanted to start a family and she wanted to wait a bit longer.
Maybe I’m old, but I just don’t get open relationships, like Robert and Ra’ad’s.
Robert is adopted, I believe?
I love Miriam and following her journey. Shlomo is slowly starting to date, he seems very sweet and shy.
Worried about Aron, I wish he could live with Julia permanently!
I think (only on episode 7 atm) Julia clearly had been in a controlling (for want of a better word) relationship in her community, and basically ended up in something similar, albeit in a differnt way, which is pretty usual. The financial side of it I still don't really get, but it was obviousl to me that he must clearly have been the one in control of it, so (as awful as it is) it didn't surprise me) that he took it all from her, the narrative her her as a woman who had built an empire from nothing never made sense, clearly it was his money etc and she had helped, otherwise it was never explained how she had left a house/community with 0 income/even a bank account and somehow become a millionaire
 
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