Made in Chelsea #9

[lululoves]

If Miles is gunning for a sexuality storyline on MIC, it's already been done by Robbie. Robbie did a 'coming out' (first boyfriend storyline really) although he was already out. The producers forced a link between that and Ollie's original storyline. They would be much more interested in his lothario role.
I think maybe he'll make this season more about going to therapy to revamp his douchey reputation before he bows out of MIC.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

If Miles is gunning for a sexuality storyline on MIC, it's already been done by Robbie. Robbie did a 'coming out' (first boyfriend storyline really) although he was already out. The producers forced a link between that and Ollie's original storyline. They would be much more interested in his lothario role.
I think maybe he'll make this season more about going to therapy to revamp his douchey reputation before he bows out of MIC.

Remeber when Inga did the coming out story line. Went on one date with a girl, then went back to guys.

 

[TulleStarr]

I started watching MIC when S13 started but I'm currently watching from the beginning and I've almost finished S5.

I'm convinced the signs were there, giving a glimpse of Louise's future mental health struggles, throughout her time on the show.

She's not all there. The constant anxiety and crying! Oh God, the crying!! Even before she got with Spencer she was a bumbling mess. I'm not surprised she is the way she is after her traumatic birth.

 

[lululoves]

Remeber when Inga did the coming out story line. Went on one date with a girl, then went back to guys.

Oh yeah! Complete with a whole "I'm bi" speech to her dad.
Come to think of it Liv also dated a girl. Not sure if they showed her face though.

 

[Musings30]

I started watching MIC when S13 started but I'm currently watching from the beginning and I've almost finished S5.

I'm convinced the signs were there, giving a glimpse of Louise's future mental health struggles, throughout her time on the show.

She's not all there. The constant anxiety and crying! Oh God, the crying!! Even before she got with Spencer she was a bumbling mess. I'm not surprised she is the way she is after her traumatic birth.

I observed that too - there seems to be a lot of deep-rooted issues there, but I definitely think her relationship with Spencer hugely scarred her and that the trauma of it (especially given how it was all hashed out on TV) still impacts her to the present day.

Louise was a completely different person when she first appeared on MiC; very timid and giggly like a naive schoolgirl, especially during her Spencer phase. But she seemed to take a sinister turn when she got with Andy and then Alik. She clearly hadn't properly processed or sought help to deal with the fallout from her break up with Spencer and toxic and emotionally abusive nature of their relationship. Poor Andy was effectively her collateral damage from that (and so was Alik later down the line). The power play in hers and Andy's relationship was interesting because she knew he fawned over her and was head over heels, and that she could push him to the absolute limit and he'd still stick by her (the cheating, gaslighting and barefaced compulsive lying). Whereas Spencer held all the power in their relationship, which gave her huge insecurities and turned her into a vulnerable shell of a person. It was like she gained a weird sense of power and control when she got with Andy, which Spencer had completely deprived her of in their relationship. She completely sabotaged herself with Andy, who was probably the first model of healthy love she'd ever experienced.

Fast forward to today and Louise is married to a very controlling and coercive bloke, which let's be honest, isn't massively surprising given her past relationship trajectory. I feel like Ryan gives her the balance she subconsciously seeks - adoring and attentive (unlike Spencer) but also Alpha (unlike Andy and sometimes Alik) and will put his foot down when, so she wouldn't push him too far like she did the other two.

 

[Leo100]

Probably old news to most on here but I've just learned about Spencers brother Michael who died on Everest. Literally never had any idea of this before, my partner is watching the documentary on it. How horrendous for his family.

 

[cee-bee]

Remeber when Inga did the coming out story line. Went on one date with a girl, then went back to guys.

Liv did it too didn’t she?

These desperados will do anything for the extra 5 mins airtime

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Oh yeah! Complete with a whole "I'm bi" speech to her dad.
Come to think of it Liv also dated a girl. Not sure if they showed her face though.

She did. I'm not sure if she claimed to be bi though. I think she said she was just curious.

Maybe it's like a right of passage for posh girls. At some point you have to date a girl just to try it out and look cool/edgy

 

[NoImSpartacus]

I observed that too - there seems to be a lot of deep-rooted issues there, but I definitely think her relationship with Spencer hugely scarred her and that the trauma of it (especially given how it was all hashed out on TV) still impacts her to the present day.

Louise was a completely different person when she first appeared on MiC; very timid and giggly like a naive schoolgirl, especially during her Spencer phase. But she seemed to take a sinister turn when she got with Andy and then Alik. She clearly hadn't properly processed or sought help to deal with the fallout from her break up with Spencer and toxic and emotionally abusive nature of their relationship. Poor Andy was effectively her collateral damage from that (and so was Alik later down the line). The power play in hers and Andy's relationship was interesting because she knew he fawned over her and was head over heels, and that she could push him to the absolute limit and he'd still stick by her (the cheating, gaslighting and barefaced compulsive lying). Whereas Spencer held all the power in their relationship, which gave her huge insecurities and turned her into a vulnerable shell of a person. It was like she gained a weird sense of power and control when she got with Andy, which Spencer had completely deprived her of in their relationship. She completely sabotaged herself with Andy, who was probably the first model of healthy love she'd ever experienced.

Fast forward to today and Louise is married to a very controlling and coercive bloke, which let's be honest, isn't massively surprising given her past relationship trajectory. I feel like Ryan gives her the balance she subconsciously seeks - adoring and attentive (unlike Spencer) but also Alpha (unlike Andy and sometimes Alik) and will put his foot down when, so she wouldn't push him too far like she did the other two.

Are you on Louise’s thread? Ryan definitely doesn’t adore her, they both seem to dislike each other and there are constant digs at how much he resents her and wants a different life, he’s utterly miserable with her (who wouldn’t be, she seems absolutely exhausting)
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Probably old news to most on here but I've just learned about Spencers brother Michael who died on Everest. Literally never had any idea of this before, my partner is watching the documentary on it. How horrendous for his family.

Really sad isn’t it. His dad tried to sue the guide I believe

 

[Musings30]

She did. I'm not sure if she claimed to be bi though. I think she said she was just curious.

Maybe it's like a right of passage for posh girls. At some point you have to date a girl just to try it out and look cool/edgy

From experience, any girl I know who's done the bi thing as a phase did so after becoming horribly disillusioned with men after really crappy dating experiences. Emphasis on "phase" because they quickly returned to the D. Tbf, I've had phases where I wish I was that way inclined after dating some absolute turds, so I can see why some women have a sexual identity crisis and think they must be bi. That said, there's a vast difference between dabbling and actually being bi. I can't judge with Inga as I don't know her personally, but that definitely seemed to be the case with Liv, who seemed to use her one date with a girl as a storyline opportunity.
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Are you on Louise’s thread? Ryan definitely doesn’t adore her, they both seem to dislike each other and there are constant digs at how much he resents her and wants a different life, he’s utterly miserable with her (who wouldn’t be, she seems absolutely exhausting)
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Really sad isn’t it. His dad tried to sue the guide I believe

I must admit I only briefly dipped into the Louise thread. Now this is juicy - I must catch up! I clearly misjudged that situation lol, and was basing their relationship on their time on MiC. I rarely look at either of their social media pages because it seems like an endless tale of woe about Louise's never-ending ailments. It's easy to see why Ryan might have turned resentful and exasperated by the relationship as he seems to have assumed the role of Louise's carer. I just feel for their poor son. Imagine having that insufferable combo of individuals as your parents

 

[cee-bee]

I observed that too - there seems to be a lot of deep-rooted issues there, but I definitely think her relationship with Spencer hugely scarred her and that the trauma of it (especially given how it was all hashed out on TV) still impacts her to the present day.

Louise was a completely different person when she first appeared on MiC; very timid and giggly like a naive schoolgirl, especially during her Spencer phase. But she seemed to take a sinister turn when she got with Andy and then Alik. She clearly hadn't properly processed or sought help to deal with the fallout from her break up with Spencer and toxic and emotionally abusive nature of their relationship. Poor Andy was effectively her collateral damage from that (and so was Alik later down the line). The power play in hers and Andy's relationship was interesting because she knew he fawned over her and was head over heels, and that she could push him to the absolute limit and he'd still stick by her (the cheating, gaslighting and barefaced compulsive lying). Whereas Spencer held all the power in their relationship, which gave her huge insecurities and turned her into a vulnerable shell of a person. It was like she gained a weird sense of power and control when she got with Andy, which Spencer had completely deprived her of in their relationship. She completely sabotaged herself with Andy, who was probably the first model of healthy love she'd ever experienced.

Fast forward to today and Louise is married to a very controlling and coercive bloke, which let's be honest, isn't massively surprising given her past relationship trajectory. I feel like Ryan gives her the balance she subconsciously seeks - adoring and attentive (unlike Spencer) but also Alpha (unlike Andy and sometimes Alik) and will put his foot down when, so she wouldn't push him too far like she did the other two.

I think Louise was alway going to end up with a Ryan type. There was underlying damage there already IMO

For her to go to Caggie and ask her to sleep with her (Louise’s) boyfriend so he’d just get over Caggie… that was so fucked up.

She constantly ignored red flags. When she confronted Spencer about cheating (finally, and only when it was obvious the relationship was done) in that infamous bridge scene why she asks why he didn’t respect her, he said “because you let me cheat”.
It was cruel and he was in the wrong for doing it and it wasn’t Louise’s fault that he kept cheating… but she did let him get away with a lot of bullshit. Why did she go for a guy like spencer at all? Why didn’t she walk away when he admitted to having feelings for someone else? That would kill me inside but my pride couldn’t take that, no matter how much I loved the persons She had self esteem issues long before he cheated on her, and she’s perpetuating the cycle by being toxic herself.

shes never been comfortable with confrontation. She always pacifies men instead of setting healthy boundaries. She doesn’t respect boundaries they themselves set. Every single guy she has ever dated, has been very intense with an element of controlling behaviour. Andy was probably the least, followed by Alik, with Spencer and Ryan on a similar wave length. I think Louise had a fucked up outlook long before she dated spennie! In my view anyway!

 

[Beachbabe]

I don’t think it was Spencer that made her this way. I think it’s because she isn’t as stunning as the other girls. She’s short, dark and back then, not as slim as the other girls.

 

[Leo100]

Are you on Louise’s thread? Ryan definitely doesn’t adore her, they both seem to dislike each other and there are constant digs at how much he resents her and wants a different life, he’s utterly miserable with her (who wouldn’t be, she seems absolutely exhausting)
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Really sad isn’t it. His dad tried to sue the guide I believe

Oh did he? His Dad doesn't feature in the documentary at all so maybe its too hard for him to accept still. I've never really shown an interest it Everest but after watching that I can't understand why anyone attempts it , no one enjoys it once you get so far up , it's just looks so painful and uncomfortable and obviously very risky ( sorry to go off topic there)

 

[cee-bee]

I don’t think it was Spencer that made her this way. I think it’s because she isn’t as stunning as the other girls. She’s short, dark and back then, not as slim as the other girls.

Maybe, Louise is a pretty girl though (or she was, before she got a tit ton of filler).

a lot of girls in that social circle are raised to be accepting, non confrontational and to not talk about their feelings. Being paired up to the “right” sort of guy is paramount. You are basically conditioned to put on a front at all costs and to turn a blind eyebto

It’s not a mindset that lends well to healthy self esteem or relationships. I can’t remember if she cheated on Andy - IIRC she said she didn’t, but that she’d slept with someone soon after their breakup. She really struggled to speak about it and even said something along the lines of it being cooler to ignore those types of things. Louise got a bad rep during that time but then Andy slept with a girl right after they broke up and spitefully gave her an item of Louise’s clothing (and then blamed her for making him do it ffs), a classic MIC bloke double standard.
I know a lot of girls who move in a similar social set and have similar types of self esteem issues.

Slightly off-topic but Lady Glenconnor wrote in her book about this (she was a lady in waiting to princess Margaret). Obvs the MIC set aren’t aristocracy, but a lot of them move in similar circles. She mentioned it was the done thing to basically have affairs and not mention it, and everyone was sleeping with everyone’s spouses. You married for the status and to make sure the elite stayed elite. I think that’s why Charles cheating on Diana came across as callous and cruel to the general population but for that social set, it was par for the course. I genuinely believe the RF thought that Diana was clued up on this unwritten code. Especially since her mother 1. Stole Earl Spencer away from Lady Goenconnor and 2. Was rumoured to have had affairs herself.
but it’s as though Diana didn’t get the memo.

but yeh, Louise and her crappy self esteem are definitely a product of her upbringing I reckon, I don’t think it’s just about looks.
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Oh did he? His Dad doesn't feature in the documentary at all so maybe its too hard for him to accept still. I've never really shown an interest it Everest but after watching that I can't understand why anyone attempts it , no one enjoys it once you get so far up , it's just looks so painful and uncomfortable and obviously very risky ( sorry to go off topic there)

I can’t imagine how incredibly hard it would be to lose a loved one (never mind a child) and to not be able to bury them, knowing their body is out there exposed to the elements and not laid to rest. Horrible. I don’t get the appeal of Everest at all.

 

[UselessNonentities]

Maybe, Louise is a pretty girl though (or she was, before she got a tit ton of filler).

a lot of girls in that social circle are raised to be accepting, non confrontational and to not talk about their feelings. Being paired up to the “right” sort of guy is paramount. You are basically conditioned to put on a front at all costs and to turn a blind eyebto

It’s not a mindset that lends well to healthy self esteem or relationships. I can’t remember if she cheated on Andy - IIRC she said she didn’t, but that she’d slept with someone soon after their breakup. She really struggled to speak about it and even said something along the lines of it being cooler to ignore those types of things. Louise got a bad rep during that time but then Andy slept with a girl right after they broke up and spitefully gave her an item of Louise’s clothing (and then blamed her for making him do it ffs), a classic MIC bloke double standard.
I know a lot of girls who move in a similar social set and have similar types of self esteem issues.

Slightly off-topic but Lady Glenconnor wrote in her book about this (she was a lady in waiting to princess Margaret). Obvs the MIC set aren’t aristocracy, but a lot of them move in similar circles. She mentioned it was the done thing to basically have affairs and not mention it, and everyone was sleeping with everyone’s spouses. You married for the status and to make sure the elite stayed elite. I think that’s why Charles cheating on Diana came across as callous and cruel to the general population but for that social set, it was par for the course. I genuinely believe the RF thought that Diana was clued up on this unwritten code. Especially since her mother 1. Stole Earl Spencer away from Lady Goenconnor and 2. Was rumoured to have had affairs herself.
but it’s as though Diana didn’t get the memo.

but yeh, Louise and her crappy self esteem are definitely a product of her upbringing I reckon, I don’t think it’s just about looks.
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I can’t imagine how incredibly hard it would be to lose a loved one (never mind a child) and to not be able to bury them, knowing their body is out there exposed to the elements and not laid to rest. Horrible. I don’t get the appeal of Everest at all.

Louise cheated on Andy with Niall Horan from One Direction if I remember correctly.

 

[Ravenstown]

All the blokes really fancied Louise. She got all the main males on MIC.

 

[Musings30]

All the blokes really fancied Louise. She got all the main males on MIC.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. She was very popular among the blokes (compared to various other more "striking" girls on the show), to the point that they were fighting over her (Spencer, Jamie, Andy, Alik and Ryan). That's where she seemed to get a lot of her validation from; them fawning and fighting over her. She was naturally very pretty in a prim and "cutesy" way, and was very laid-back and fun, compared to Millie for example, who took herself quite seriously. It's interesting when you compare Louise to someone like Rosie, who didn't stand out aesthetically as much as the other girls, but she had a very strong sense of self and wouldn't take tit from anyone, especially blokes. It does make me wonder about Louise's parents and the nature of their marriage. Her parents are divorced and her dad has had a very minimal presence on hers and Sam's Instagrams over the years.

They say your relationship attachment style is linked to your parental model. Louise seems to have a very anxious attachment style, possibly stemming from abandonment issues linked to her parents' separation? I think she also went to boarding school, which I'm sure sparked a whole other heap of separation trauma issues.

 

[Too Much]

Her parents are divorced and her dad has had a very minimal presence on hers and Sam's Instagrams over the years. They say your relationship attachment style is linked to your parental model. She seems to have a very anxious attachment style, possibly stemming from abandonment issues linked to her parents' separation?

I saw her Dad once in (I think it was) a YouTube video with her and Ryan and Sam (can't remember if I saw Zara or Leo) at a beachside restaurant... on a trip somewhere hot to celebrate maybe her Dad's 70th birthday fairly recently?? As you can tell I'm not sure exactly what was happening and where I saw this , but I remember the Dad was (very) overweight, and imo super annoying in the same vein as Sam 'over-performing'. Btw I've been finding Sam cringey af on Love Island Aftersun. Not a surprise as I find him annoying generally and he's pretty much his typical self on the show.

Anyone else seen this video I'm talking about?

[Perhaps this is more a post for the Louise thread. Thought this was her thread when I posted tbf ]

 

[Musings30]

Louise cheated on Andy with Niall Horan from One Direction if I remember correctly.

God, that was one weird fiasco, wasn't it? I thought she was still with Andy at that point? She disappeared for the night and wasn't answering her phone to him. Turned out she'd taken a taxi out of London to sleep with Niall, and then laughed in Andy's face when he confronted and finally got the truth out of her, before bursting into tears.

That scene where Andy's sat in a bar with the girl he lent Louise's jumper to is one of the most memorable MiC momentsI can't find a clip on YouTube, but Louise basically steamrolled up to the girl and shoved her out of her seat before declaring "I'll have my jumper back, you witch" (or words to that effect).

 

[UselessNonentities]

God, that was one weird fiasco, wasn't it? I thought she was still with Andy at that point? She disappeared for the night and wasn't answering her phone to him. Turned out she'd taken a taxi out of London to sleep with Niall, and then laughed in Andy's face when he confronted and finally got the truth out of her, before bursting into tears.

That scene where Andy's sat in a bar with the girl he lent Louise's jumper to is one of the most memorable MiC momentsI can't find a clip on YouTube, but Louise basically steamrolled up to the girl and shoved her out of her seat before declaring "I'll have my jumper back, you witch" (or words to that effect).

God, MIC used to be incredible. Might have to go back and rewatch some of the earlier series