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I am gonna take a wild guess and say Miles is a Sagittarius (not gonna look up his birthday) because Maeva’s comments about them seemed very pointed lol.

Ruby is a little snake. She couldn't hide her sour face when that girl asked Emily why she and Miles weren't dating.

I think Joel is very sweet but naive. I can see where Robbie is coming from in stuff with Paris but I am getting mean vibes and Joel will get the brunt of it. I think Paris was right to call it out. I like that they could all apologize in a mature manner.

Also kind of impressed by Sam having Inga's back this episode. He came off mature for once.
 
Julian’s new girlfriend seems really sweet! I thought she was with Digby initially, I think they suited better
Did anyone else initially think Digby was randomly creeping on her in that scene where he was waiting outside her cafe?😂

I am gonna take a wild guess and say Miles is a Sagittarius (not gonna look up his birthday) because Maeva’s comments about them seemed very pointed lol.

Ruby is a little snake. She couldn't hide her sour face when that girl asked Emily why she and Miles weren't dating.

I think Joel is very sweet but naive. I can see where Robbie is coming from in stuff with Paris but I am getting mean vibes and Joel will get the brunt of it. I think Paris was right to call it out. I like that they could all apologize in a mature manner.

Also kind of impressed by Sam having Inga's back this episode. He came off mature for once.
I agree - I don't get great vibes from Robbie either and I feel Joel may end up bearing the brunt of this less pleasant side of his that's recently emerged.
 
that girl (sorry I’m awful with names) is way too good for spring onion.

anyone remember when he started seeing Ella Willis ? He really liked her too, I think to the point that he ended his friendship with liv over it.

but anyway. I think he invited Ella to a gig, and then after their date he went home and slept with someone else. On the same night.

realising he’d probably get caught out, he then decided to drop that particular grenade on Ella in the least tactful way possible, by dismissing it as not a big deal and while they were in a date in a jacuzzi or hot tub of some sort.

she stayed with him but a few months later he was spotted on bumble (and I vividly remember this because I came across him on it and thought it had to be fake).

So yep, counting down the days until he fucks this up too
 
I just find the whole Miles/Ella thing so odd. Like why not just have fun, enjoy eachothers company for a few weeks while she's here. She would have gone home and then things would have probably just naturally fizzled out anyway. So weird for Miles to have blanked and ghosted her while she was in the UK but maybe it was done purely for the show who knows. I cannot stand Ruby and anytime she's on the screen I want to switch off lol I find her so arrogant and full of herself and I just don't think she's a good person! Definitely got inside Miles head saying Ella wanted more.
 
Anytime I see Ruby she reminds me of this character
 

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that girl (sorry I’m awful with names) is way too good for spring onion.

anyone remember when he started seeing Ella Willis ? He really liked her too, I think to the point that he ended his friendship with liv over it.

but anyway. I think he invited Ella to a gig, and then after their date he went home and slept with someone else. On the same night.

realising he’d probably get caught out, he then decided to drop that particular grenade on Ella in the least tactful way possible, by dismissing it as not a big deal and while they were in a date in a jacuzzi or hot tub of some sort.

she stayed with him but a few months later he was spotted on bumble (and I vividly remember this because I came across him on it and thought it had to be fake).

So yep, counting down the days until he fucks this up too
I like to think people can change over the years, but judging by his recent behaviour and attitude towards women on the show (never mind my own life coaching debacle), I sadly don't think he's amended his ways. As for his new partner, he's hit gold there and I don't think he's going to be stupid enough to mess it up. Notice how guys with a history of treating women badly who end up WAY punching with their new partner, are often very happy to modify their behaviour and change their ways because they know they won't do better. Just something I've observed personally.
 
Oh dear bet that angered spring onion, she once said of him “I traded up” 😬 awks.

I agree re Joel, Robbie and Paris. Joel is naieve and very into Robbie. Robbie is so beautiful you can hardly stop staring at him.

Joel although confident couldn’t bare to lose him I don’t think. Robbie things he’s badass now he’s come out, got a man and a relationship, which is condescending really.

It would be nice for Paris to get a fella of her own and worry about her own affairs, they’re always going to throw anything she says in her face.
 
Notice how guys with a history of treating women badly who end up WAY punching with their new partner, are often very happy to modify their behaviour and change their ways because they know they won't do better. Just something I've observed personally.

I think that’s a misconception though, and I think that’s definitely what it looks like from the outside.

I had an abusive ex and everyone told him he was “punching” with me. Our mutual friends and my friends, thought he was the sweetest guy who was besotted with me. But mainly they thought that because he was highly manipulative and very good at coming across as the good guy. He could be very emotional and I think in an age when men aren’t comfortable crying or showing emotions, this made him seem sweet and sensitive, but really he just weaponised his crying against me. Similar to julius, who has this sweet, tortured, sensitive musician front down to a T.

my ex had treated his ex girlfriend before me, not especially well. (I didn’t realise all of this at first) He basically felt she wasn’t good enough and spoke disparagingly of her, took her for granted etc. I wrongly assumed that because he told me he was punching, that he valued me enough not to mistreat me. Had I been older and wiser I’d have seen the glaring red flags and how deeply flawed my mindset was.

in reality it looked like he was treating me well and that he’d “changed”, and he convinced me that he was. He spoke highly of me to others too, told everyone he’d “never felt this way” before a la Spring Onion right now.

Except, he treated me just as badly, it was just in a different way with different tactics and different mind games. The disrespect was always there for both us women. While he manipulated his ex by going hot and cold, telling her he cared then acting differently, humiliating her and then apologising, breaking it off with her on/off and seeing other girls etc.

with me it was constant guilt tripping, it was huffing and emotional blackmail to get me to play the part he wanted. He’d do seemingly sweet gestures for me for the benefit of everyone else without really caring about if it was actually something I wanted. He’d lie to me too, just about different things. He’d put his own wants and needs first constantly, then make me feel bad if I voiced my own. It was abusive for both women he was with, and his treatment of us was no reflection on us but entirely a reflection on his own lack of character. And none of this was apparent or obvious to anyone looking in. To this day, most of my friends think he was a sweet guy who just overreacted when we broke up because he was heartbroken. They’ve never truly understood that that was the real him coming out because there was no point in him pretending anymore. Before they groom their victims, abusers groom their character witnesses and people looking on.

so nasty vile men don’t reform and suddenly treat the new, prettier girl better or value her more. They almost always disrespect and manipulate her, just in a different way. A pretty face and hit body will never make a man value a woman if he just doesn’t respect women. Finding the “right woman” will never make a man suddenly learn to respect women. At best, he values the physical attributes as a commodity. Eg my ex hated posing for photos with his ex girlfriend because she wasn’t pretty enough for him, but was more than happy to plaster pics of us everywhere. It wasn’t because I was more valuable to him, or he respected me more. It wasn’t even that I was prettier than his ex. It was because he felt how I looked, was a good reflection on him. It was all about him, always.

so nope, I don’t believe they ever truly amend their ways, unless on the rare occasion they have an epiphany within themselves that has nothing to do with the woman they are with. If Julius treats this new woman better (and I doubt he will) it’ll only ever be because he himself realised how awful he’d been, and had a true change of character. And that doesn’t happen often IME.

In my experience the trajectory usually goes that the guy in question is with the girl and she’s way out of his league. Initially he treats her like a Princess, completely love bombs her. When she’s invested, he’ll change tact, all while appearing to others looking on, that he is a model boyfriend. He’ll start to put her down subtly and she won’t clock into what’s happening because it’s so subtle, he’ll maybe start manipulate her or start slowly with silent treatments. He’ll slowly push those boundaries ever so slightly. Won’t pop out to get a pint of milk for him? Little bit of silent treatment. He’ll be upset but won’t actually talk about why. He’ll call her silly, or accuse her of starting a fight if she points out he’s huffing. He’ll purposefully not text her back when he’s out, allow her to worry then stroll home and act like she’s been completely unreasonable, so that next time he disappears all night he’s laid the groundwork - she can’t complain or she’ll look like a nagging wife. He’ll start grinding her down by small actions regularly, whether he’s subconsciously doing it or not who knows? It’ll get to a point where her self esteem has eroded, her grasp on what is acceptable treatment has been gaslit out of her. She’ll be in turmoil because she thinks she loves this man without realising she’s in love with a front he puts on to manipulate her.

She won’t feel able to leave the relationship (but probably won’t be able to pinpoint why), and that’s when he’ll ramp up the disrespect towards her. When he’ll get a kick out of how superior he is, because he’s been able to beat this beautiful woman so much more attractive and better than him - into submission. Or maybe he’ll marry her and have kids with her in this broken down form, because he knows she’s a safe bet and she fulfills his shallow need for a trophy partner, which he ultimately takes as a compliment to him.

so I’ll say it again, men who mistreat women never, ever change for a woman. They just change tactics.
 
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I think that’s a misconception though, and I think that’s definitely what it looks like from the outside.

I had an abusive ex and everyone told him he was “punching” with me. Our mutual friends and my friends, thought he was the sweetest guy who was besotted with me. But mainly they thought that because he was highly manipulative and very good at coming across as the good guy. He could be very emotional and I think in an age when men aren’t comfortable crying or showing emotions, this made him seem sweet and sensitive, but really he just weaponised his crying against me. Similar to julius, who has this sweet, tortured, sensitive musician front down to a T.

my ex had treated his ex girlfriend before me, not especially well. (I didn’t realise all of this at first) He basically felt she wasn’t good enough and spoke disparagingly of her, took her for granted etc. I wrongly assumed that because he told me he was punching, that he valued me enough not to mistreat me. Had I been older and wiser I’d have seen the glaring red flags and how deeply flawed my mindset was.

in reality it looked like he was treating me well and that he’d “changed”, and he convinced me that he was. He spoke highly of me to others too, told everyone he’d “never felt this way” before a la Spring Onion right now.

Except, he treated me just as badly, it was just in a different way with different tactics and different mind games. The disrespect was always there for both us women. While he manipulated his ex by going hot and cold, telling her he cared then acting differently, humiliating her and then apologising, breaking it off with her on/off and seeing other girls etc.

with me it was constant guilt tripping, it was huffing and emotional blackmail to get me to play the part he wanted. He’d do seemingly sweet gestures for me for the benefit of everyone else without really caring about if it was actually something I wanted. He’d lie to me too, just about different things. He’d put his own wants and needs first constantly, then make me feel bad if I voiced my own. It was abusive for both women he was with, and his treatment of us was no reflection on us but entirely a reflection on his own lack of character. And none of this was apparent or obvious to anyone looking in. To this day, most of my friends think he was a sweet guy who just overreacted when we broke up because he was heartbroken. They’ve never truly understood that that was the real him coming out because there was no point in him pretending anymore. Before they groom their victims, abusers groom their character witnesses and people looking on.

so nasty vile men don’t reform and suddenly treat the new, prettier girl better or value her more. They almost always disrespect and manipulate her, just in a different way. A pretty face and hit body will never make a man value a woman if he just doesn’t respect women. Finding the “right woman” will never make a man suddenly learn to respect women. At best, he values the physical attributes as a commodity. Eg my ex hated posing for photos with his ex girlfriend because she wasn’t pretty enough for him, but was more than happy to plaster pics of us everywhere. It wasn’t because I was more valuable to him, or he respected me more. It wasn’t even that I was prettier than his ex. It was because he felt how I looked, was a good reflection on him. It was all about him, always.

so nope, I don’t believe they ever truly amend their ways, unless on the rare occasion they have an epiphany within themselves that has nothing to do with the woman they are with. If Julius treats this new woman better (and I doubt he will) it’ll only ever be because he himself realised how awful he’d been, and had a true change of character. And that doesn’t happen often IME.

In my experience the trajectory usually goes that the guy in question is with the girl and she’s way out of his league. Initially he treats her like a Princess, completely love bombs her. When she’s invested, he’ll change tact, all while appearing to others looking on, that he is a model boyfriend. He’ll start to put her down subtly and she won’t clock into what’s happening because it’s so subtle, he’ll maybe start manipulate her or start slowly with silent treatments. He’ll slowly push those boundaries ever so slightly. Won’t pop out to get a pint of milk for him? Little bit of silent treatment. He’ll be upset but won’t actually talk about why. He’ll call her silly, or accuse her of starting a fight if she points out he’s huffing. He’ll purposefully not text her back when he’s out, allow her to worry then stroll home and act like she’s been completely unreasonable, so that next time he disappears all night he’s laid the groundwork - she can’t complain or she’ll look like a nagging wife. He’ll start grinding her down by small actions regularly, whether he’s subconsciously doing it or not who knows? It’ll get to a point where her self esteem has eroded, her grasp on what is acceptable treatment has been gaslit out of her. She’ll be in turmoil because she thinks she loves this man without realising she’s in love with a front he puts on to manipulate her.

She won’t feel able to leave the relationship (but probably won’t be able to pinpoint why), and that’s when he’ll ramp up the disrespect towards her. When he’ll get a kick out of how superior he is, because he’s been able to beat this beautiful woman so much more attractive and better than him - into submission. Or maybe he’ll marry her and have kids with her in this broken down form, because he knows she’s a safe bet and she fulfills his shallow need for a trophy partner, which he ultimately takes as a compliment to him.

so I’ll say it again, men who mistreat women never, ever change for a woman. They just change tactics.
I've had a very similar ex and you've hit the nail on the head there. I can second everything you've said.
 
I think that’s a misconception though, and I think that’s definitely what it looks like from the outside.

I had an abusive ex and everyone told him he was “punching” with me. Our mutual friends and my friends, thought he was the sweetest guy who was besotted with me. But mainly they thought that because he was highly manipulative and very good at coming across as the good guy. He could be very emotional and I think in an age when men aren’t comfortable crying or showing emotions, this made him seem sweet and sensitive, but really he just weaponised his crying against me. Similar to julius, who has this sweet, tortured, sensitive musician front down to a T.

my ex had treated his ex girlfriend before me, not especially well. (I didn’t realise all of this at first) He basically felt she wasn’t good enough and spoke disparagingly of her, took her for granted etc. I wrongly assumed that because he told me he was punching, that he valued me enough not to mistreat me. Had I been older and wiser I’d have seen the glaring red flags and how deeply flawed my mindset was.

in reality it looked like he was treating me well and that he’d “changed”, and he convinced me that he was. He spoke highly of me to others too, told everyone he’d “never felt this way” before a la Spring Onion right now.

Except, he treated me just as badly, it was just in a different way with different tactics and different mind games. The disrespect was always there for both us women. While he manipulated his ex by going hot and cold, telling her he cared then acting differently, humiliating her and then apologising, breaking it off with her on/off and seeing other girls etc.

with me it was constant guilt tripping, it was huffing and emotional blackmail to get me to play the part he wanted. He’d do seemingly sweet gestures for me for the benefit of everyone else without really caring about if it was actually something I wanted. He’d lie to me too, just about different things. He’d put his own wants and needs first constantly, then make me feel bad if I voiced my own. It was abusive for both women he was with, and his treatment of us was no reflection on us but entirely a reflection on his own lack of character. And none of this was apparent or obvious to anyone looking in. To this day, most of my friends think he was a sweet guy who just overreacted when we broke up because he was heartbroken. They’ve never truly understood that that was the real him coming out because there was no point in him pretending anymore. Before they groom their victims, abusers groom their character witnesses and people looking on.

so nasty vile men don’t reform and suddenly treat the new, prettier girl better or value her more. They almost always disrespect and manipulate her, just in a different way. A pretty face and hit body will never make a man value a woman if he just doesn’t respect women. Finding the “right woman” will never make a man suddenly learn to respect women. At best, he values the physical attributes as a commodity. Eg my ex hated posing for photos with his ex girlfriend because she wasn’t pretty enough for him, but was more than happy to plaster pics of us everywhere. It wasn’t because I was more valuable to him, or he respected me more. It wasn’t even that I was prettier than his ex. It was because he felt how I looked, was a good reflection on him. It was all about him, always.

so nope, I don’t believe they ever truly amend their ways, unless on the rare occasion they have an epiphany within themselves that has nothing to do with the woman they are with. If Julius treats this new woman better (and I doubt he will) it’ll only ever be because he himself realised how awful he’d been, and had a true change of character. And that doesn’t happen often IME.

In my experience the trajectory usually goes that the guy in question is with the girl and she’s way out of his league. Initially he treats her like a Princess, completely love bombs her. When she’s invested, he’ll change tact, all while appearing to others looking on, that he is a model boyfriend. He’ll start to put her down subtly and she won’t clock into what’s happening because it’s so subtle, he’ll maybe start manipulate her or start slowly with silent treatments. He’ll slowly push those boundaries ever so slightly. Won’t pop out to get a pint of milk for him? Little bit of silent treatment. He’ll be upset but won’t actually talk about why. He’ll call her silly, or accuse her of starting a fight if she points out he’s huffing. He’ll purposefully not text her back when he’s out, allow her to worry then stroll home and act like she’s been completely unreasonable, so that next time he disappears all night he’s laid the groundwork - she can’t complain or she’ll look like a nagging wife. He’ll start grinding her down by small actions regularly, whether he’s subconsciously doing it or not who knows? It’ll get to a point where her self esteem has eroded, her grasp on what is acceptable treatment has been gaslit out of her. She’ll be in turmoil because she thinks she loves this man without realising she’s in love with a front he puts on to manipulate her.

She won’t feel able to leave the relationship (but probably won’t be able to pinpoint why), and that’s when he’ll ramp up the disrespect towards her. When he’ll get a kick out of how superior he is, because he’s been able to beat this beautiful woman so much more attractive and better than him - into submission. Or maybe he’ll marry her and have kids with her in this broken down form, because he knows she’s a safe bet and she fulfills his shallow need for a trophy partner, which he ultimately takes as a compliment to him.

so I’ll say it again, men who mistreat women never, ever change for a woman. They just change tactics.
I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. That sounds absolutely awful and I completely understand where you're coming from.

Just to clarify, when I was talking about Julius I was speaking purely from my own experience of knowing/seeing guys who took women massively for granted or disrespected them in relationships because they were of the mindset that they could "do better", which relates to another topic in my earlier post, about people who refuse to settle until they find someone that ticks every box of their "perfect partner" checklist. On the show, Julius banged in a lot about how much he wanted to date someone strong-minded and entrepreneurial (e.g. Verity), and clearly he's found that in his current partner (as well as her being ridiculously attractive), so I'm of the mindset that now he thinks he's secured his ideal woman, he's going to commit to settling down with her. I don't think he'll change entirely but I guess what I meant was he'll modify his ugly behaviour, because let's face it, she doesn't seem like the type of girl who'll put up with his crap like India did.

To address your point about the continued pattern of disrespect that certain men repeat in relationship after relationship, I empathise completely. I've dated a whole gamut of horrible blokes, including narcissists, emotional abusers and complete users, and they don't ever change or acknowledge that they're the problem. As for Julius, I don't know what he's like behind closed doors but what I've picked up from the show and through my own experience with him are some very troubling narcissistic behaviours, including a complete lack of self-awareness and capacity for remorse.

On reflection of your points, you're absolutely right. It will take a lot of effort on his part to hide the uglier side of his personality the longer he's with someone. I guess when you're in a new relationship and in the honeymoon period, the shiny veneer of your good side can only stay up for so long. I guess only time will tell with this one.

I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. That sounds absolutely awful and I completely understand where you're coming from.

Just to clarify, when I was talking about Julius I was speaking purely from my own experience of knowing/seeing guys who took women massively for granted or disrespected them in relationships because they were of the mindset that they could "do better", which relates to another topic in my earlier post, about people who refuse to settle until they find someone that ticks every box of their "perfect partner" checklist. On the show, Julius banged in a lot about how much he wanted to date someone strong-minded and entrepreneurial (e.g. Verity), and clearly he's found that in his current partner (as well as her being ridiculously attractive), so I'm of the mindset that now he thinks he's secured his ideal woman, he's going to commit to settling down with her. I don't think he'll change entirely but I guess what I meant was he'll modify his ugly behaviour, because let's face it, she doesn't seem like the type of girl who'll put up with his crap like India did.

To address your point about the continued pattern of disrespect that certain men repeat in relationship after relationship, I empathise completely. I've dated a whole gamut of horrible blokes, including narcissists, emotional abusers and complete users, and they don't ever change or acknowledge that they're the problem. As for Julius, I don't know what he's like behind closed doors but what I've picked up from the show and through my own experience with him are some very troubling narcissistic behaviours, including a complete lack of self-awareness and capacity for remorse.

On reflection of your points, you're absolutely right. It will take a lot of effort on his part to hide the uglier side of his personality the longer he's with someone. I guess when you're in a new relationship and in the honeymoon period, the shiny veneer of your good side can only stay up for so long. I guess only time will tell with this one.
Also, to add, I would never take this subject flippantly as I've experienced a lot of emotional damage and trauma due to these types of men, and am still having therapy for some of it.
 
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