Babyteeth

LittleBitAlexis

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I finally got around to watching this on Netflix on Monday afternoon, and have not been able to stop thinking about it since. The subject matter makes it difficult to say that I enjoyed the film, but it's definitely stayed with me like no other film I've ever seen has.

Has anyone else seen it and it's had this effect on them? I really feel like I need to talk about it with someone who has seen it!
 
I finally got around to watching this on Netflix on Monday afternoon, and have not been able to stop thinking about it since. The subject matter makes it difficult to say that I enjoyed the film, but it's definitely stayed with me like no other film I've ever seen has.

Has anyone else seen it and it's had this effect on them? I really feel like I need to talk about it with someone who has seen it!
Not watched it yet but it’s on my list, it looks captivating
 
(I'm now a crying mess!)

My reaction exactly! It was proper, red-faced ugly crying, too!

I have so many questions about the last part of the film.

I thought it was interesting for Milla's parents to condemn Moses' addiction issues (but later enable it!) when they were both heavy users themselves, although in a more socially acceptable way. Having said that, what they did (bringing Moses back into their lives) was the ultimate act of love for their daughter, letting her live out her last weeks experiencing things that she would never grow up to do.

I know Eliza Scanlen got a lot of (very well-deserved) praise for her performance but I feel that of the main quartet, Toby Wallace was the lesser known and the most underrated. He was great - he brought a lot of charm to Moses and his character stirred more emotion in me than Milla's did. In fact, I would say that it felt like the film wasn't about Milla at all, but everyone falling apart around her in their own ways. I can't lie, I was a little bit in love with Moses myself by the end. Milla was smart enough to acknowledge that her feelings were infatuation rather than love, and that they weren't reciprocated. I think he did end up loving Milla, but didn't realise until it was too late.

The significance of Milla finally losing that baby tooth at the time she did, with the suffocation attempt before and first-time sex afterwards, felt a bit cheesy but it was still quite gut-wrenching because that was the point when I knew the inevitable would happen.

Do you think Milla died in her sleep, or did Moses finally give her what she asked for? Or did Milla help herself to some of her dad's stash when she got up in the night to go to the toilet? The earlier scenes make it clear that there was easy access to drugs within the house - after all, that's what kept Moses coming back, initially! Her going out into the garden I think was symbolic of her passing over and I'm not sure whether it actually happened or not.

I found the beach scene particularly hard to deal with, and it was a great editorial choice to include this after Milla's death. It was her way of saying goodbye to her dad, I think, and he definitely knew that. Ben Mendelsohn's performance was fantastic throughout but especially here.

My only niggles really were with the other characters in the film - the neighbour and the music teacher just seemed extraneous to me, I struggled to understand their significance in the plot and their scenes felt disjointed in comparison with the rest of the film. Moses' mum and brother, I got - it was important to give context to his circumstances but I was still majorly confused when his brother turned up at the birthday party and the beach. We know that Moses got clean for Milla (he was clearly going through withdrawal in the scene where he vomits up the sandwich) but how likely was it that his mum would allow contact with Isaac, even knowing that he was sober? The time line isn't clearly defined but it's definitely only a matter of weeks, and I just couldn't see his mum letting that happen, especially unsupervised.
 
My reaction exactly! It was proper, red-faced ugly crying, too!

I have so many questions about the last part of the film.

Aw it was so good, I’ve kept the spoiler but below with my answers to your previous post 😊
I thought it was interesting for Milla's parents to condemn Moses' addiction issues (but later enable it!) when they were both heavy users themselves, although in a more socially acceptable way. Having said that, what they did (bringing Moses back into their lives) was the ultimate act of love for their daughter, letting her live out her last weeks experiencing things that she would never grow up to do.

———I was shocked at the scene showing Henry injecting the morphine, he had seemed like he was sort of holding it together up to that point.

I know Eliza Scanlen got a lot of (very well-deserved) praise for her performance but I feel that of the main quartet, Toby Wallace was the lesser known and the most underrated. He was great - he brought a lot of charm to Moses and his character stirred more emotion in me than Milla's did. In fact, I would say that it felt like the film wasn't about Milla at all, but everyone falling apart around her in their own ways. I can't lie, I was a little bit in love with Moses myself by the end. Milla was smart enough to acknowledge that her feelings were infatuation rather than love, and that they weren't reciprocated. I think he did end up loving Milla, but didn't realise until it was too late.

——— yep, to me it was more about Moses than Milla. I was captivated by him - and by the way Toby Wallace played him. He was torn between his addiction and his growing feelings for Milla. Initially I don’t think he loved in in a romantic sense but I think by the end he was falling for her. I loved the night out/party sequence- of them holding hands on the train and her dancing and putting on the lipstick in the pharmacy- the way he was looking at her - it was just beautiful. the way the party scene was set up was great with the music and the lights, and then Moses looking out for her and getting her out of the party - the hint of jealousy when he saw her dancing with the other guy.


The significance of Milla finally losing that baby tooth at the time she did, with the suffocation attempt before and first-time sex afterwards, felt a bit cheesy but it was still quite gut-wrenching because that was the point when I knew the inevitable would happen.

———Agree. I personally didn’t feel it needed the loss of the tooth scene at all. I found the suffocation scene quite hard to watch, and more so how if it had been successful how that would have impacted on Moses for the rest of his life.
I’m glad the sex scene between them wasn’t explicit and was more implied. It felt very much like Moses saying goodbye to her, and allowing her to experience something that she wouldn’t have lived long enough to do so within a more appropriate relationship.

Do you think Milla died in her sleep, or did Moses finally give her what she asked for? Or did Milla help herself to some of her dad's stash when she got up in the night to go to the toilet? The earlier scenes make it clear that there was easy access to drugs within the house - after all, that's what kept Moses coming back, initially! Her going out into the garden I think was symbolic of her passing over and I'm not sure whether it actually happened or not.

———I think she passed away in her sleep. I think the scene where she gets up in the early hours of the morning and looks up at the birds in the tree was symbolic to show her transition from life to death. I don’t think Moses killed her, I think she knew she was going to die soon and after the suffocation attempt & the sex with Moses that was probably enough for her body to take.





I cried all the way through the beach scene. I thought it was so heartbreaking because they all knew it was nearly the end. I thought the scene where Milla takes the photo of her parents and her Dad kisses her Mother’s head was very touching considering how fractured their relationship had been throughout.


My only niggles really were with the other characters in the film - the neighbour and the music teacher just seemed extraneous to me, I struggled to understand their significance in the plot and their scenes felt disjointed in comparison with the rest of the film. Moses' mum and brother, I got - it was important to give context to his circumstances but I was still majorly confused when his brother turned up at the birthday party and the beach. We know that Moses got clean for Milla (he was clearly going through withdrawal in the scene where he vomits up the sandwich) but how likely was it that his mum would allow contact with Isaac, even knowing that he was sober? The time line isn't clearly defined but it's definitely only a matter of weeks, and I just couldn't see his mum letting that happen, especially unsupervised.

——— yes i agree. The pregnant neighbour and the music teacher didn’t really make sense. The kiss between Milla’s father and the neighbour felt strange although it had been building to that point but I wasn’t sure of the significance of it. There was the implication that the music teacher and Milla’s mother had been together in the past but again I’m not sure exactly how that was relevant to the story

I think there definitely should have been a scene or two to explain why Issac was allowed to see Moses. When we had seen Issac and Moses and their Mother earlier in the film there was no way she was going to allow any contact so I do feel they should have shown how that was resolved, I think that would have been important to let the audience see.
 
Thanks for coming back and sharing your thoughts! I'll stick with spoilers, in case anyone else wants to join in :)

I was shocked at the scene showing Henry injecting the morphine, he had seemed like he was sort of holding it together up to that point.

Agreed, although I suppose this scene was important in that it doesn't make it such a leap to understand later on why he offers to write prescriptions for Moses. He's obviously been doing it for his wife for some time, and self-medicating must have been the next logical step in an attempt to not fall apart.

yep, to me it was more about Moses than Milla. I was captivated by him - and by the way Toby Wallace played him. He was torn between his addiction and his growing feelings for Milla. Initially I don’t think he loved in in a romantic sense but I think by the end he was falling for her. I loved the night out/party sequence- of them holding hands on the train and her dancing and putting on the lipstick in the pharmacy- the way he was looking at her - it was just beautiful. the way the party scene was set up was great with the music and the lights, and then Moses looking out for her and getting her out of the party - the hint of jealousy when he saw her dancing with the other guy.

Definitely! Toby really deserves more praise for this role than he's received. I found it nuanced - especially like you say, the way he looks at Milla and you realise that's the point where things could get messier than they already are. It's the point where he realises she's far more than easy access to drugs and even though he leaves her on the rooftop, him sobbing and breaking down when her dad comes to find him afterwards demonstrates his feelings have grown, because he was terrified that she had died.

The party scene was just beautiful - the way the firework projections flit across her face and how it was timed to the music... And speaking of music, I love the soundtrack. Every piece was just perfect for the scene. The bit where they're walking through the subway station together and their movements are almost synced, because they're in an easy rhythm with each other by then. And the colour co-ordinated outfits was a nice touch!

Agree. I personally didn’t feel it needed the loss of the tooth scene at all. I found the suffocation scene quite hard to watch, and more so how if it had been successful how that would have impacted on Moses for the rest of his life.

That would have been hard to watch in any context but definitely so here. I hated the fact that Moses picked up the pillow so readily - it did make me wonder whether he did that because it was (supposed to be) an act of love, or if he really was nothing more than a no-good junkie who was actually capable of that. I want to believe the former rather than the latter, because I do think that Moses is an inherently good person, in spite of his addiction. His questionable behaviour and previous crimes were all as a result of needing to feed that addiction.

I’m glad the sex scene between them wasn’t explicit and was more implied. It felt very much like Moses saying goodbye to her, and allowing her to experience something that she wouldn’t have lived long enough to do so within a more appropriate relationship.

I hadn't considered this, but agree 100%. Until this point, their affection was intimate and tender but never (in my opinion) sexual, I don't recall even seeing a kiss before this. Their hugs, arms around each other, play fighting... I think it was about comfort for them both more than anything, and I think having sex was about that too, rather than true desire.

I think she passed away in her sleep. I think the scene where she gets up in the early hours of the morning and looks up at the birds in the tree was symbolic to show her transition from life to death. I don’t think Moses killed her, I think she knew she was going to die soon and after the suffocation attempt & the sex with Moses that was probably enough for her body to take.

This makes perfect sense. It was a bit shocking to hear Milla ask that of him, because aside from losing her hair, we really have no idea how sick she actually is - the focus of the film is on the way the four of them are trying to cope with the situation, and her condition and treatment are only touched upon. Having the beach scene appear at the correct point in the timeline might have set this scene up a little better, but then it wouldn't have had a fraction of the emotional impact that it does. We wouldn't realise that she was saying her goodbyes to her dad without knowing that she was already dead.

I think there definitely should have been a scene or two to explain why Issac was allowed to see Moses. When we had seen Issac and Moses and their Mother earlier in the film there was no way she was going to allow any contact so I do feel they should have shown how that was resolved, I think that would have been important to let the audience see.

Like I said, this is pretty much my only niggle with the film. Either give the other characters the development they deserve, or cut them out altogether. Of all the events in the film, I felt like this was the only implausability. Even in comparison to the parents of a dying child inviting an older, drug-addicted love interest to come and live with them!
 
I loved this so much. I only watched at first because I love Ben Mendelsohn which plays the Dad. The end killed me.
I know. Heartbreaking wasn’t it. It’s funny, we knew it was coming the entire film but it was so hard to watch. I found the worst bit was when Moses came out of the bedroom for a cigarette and Henry knew immediately from his body language that Milla had died but Anna hasn’t realised it yet.... the way Henry us just rooted to the spot exchanging eye contact with Moses.... absolutely heart wrenching
 
I know. Heartbreaking wasn’t it. It’s funny, we knew it was coming the entire film but it was so hard to watch. I found the worst bit was when Moses came out of the bedroom for a cigarette and Henry knew immediately from his body language that Milla had died but Anna hasn’t realised it yet.... the way Henry us just rooted to the spot exchanging eye contact with Moses.... absolutely heart wrenching
Yep totally. I know Moses was a junkie but I loved how much he cared for Milla. There was just a connection straight away like it was fate and he was meant to of met her before the end. The way it showed the parents struggling with their own relationship too was brilliant.
 
Everyone should want to be looked at the way Moses looks at Milla! Even when their relationship is still in the transactional or platonic stages, he really sees her, and not just the cancer.

So, my second watch was this morning and although it was still like being punched in the gut and just as tearjerking, I found that I did take so much more from it this time. I appreciated and understood the use of colour and music and how it fits with and enhances the action on screen. I liked that there are still so many unanswered questions but that doesn't matter because it's not about what has already happened to inform the character's choices up to that point, it's about what's happening now. And I guess that's one of the wider themes, living in the moment.

One thing I said above I take back somewhat, regarding the neighbour being an extraneous character, because Toby's pregnancy actually gives us the closest thing to a time line in the film. She's heavily pregnant when we first meet her at the beginning of the film (definitely 6 months +) and goes into labour at Milla's party, the night before she dies. It's all just a matter of weeks, which really makes things seem even more intense when you realise that!

I found the worst bit was when Moses came out of the bedroom for a cigarette and Henry knew immediately from his body language that Milla had died but Anna hasn’t realised it yet.... the way Henry us just rooted to the spot exchanging eye contact with Moses.... absolutely heart wrenching

Yes! I noticed that on the second watch. Moses had always been quite gangly and loose-limbed in his movements throughout the film but here, we saw him stiff and jerky with a real tenseness in his jaw and shoulders. I do think Toby is the standout in this film.
 
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