Baby Reindeer Netflix #3

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welp said:
Well, she isnt quite as bad, but I remember watching Alice Evans on Lorraine looking very likable and composed when talking about her marriage breakdown. But on twitter she was nuts with so many spelling mistakes. Nearly everything she said in that interview was at the time already known to be false or later disproved in court. Psychos have that power, that's how they attract their victims in the first place.

It is very obvious that she was lying. just see how she backed off anytime Piers was questioning more in detail. and how often she contradicted herself.
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So true. Alice Evans is a great example. I guess I can't understand why someone who is lying would do a TV interview to double down. But as a sane person I can't examine someone who isn't well through the same lens.
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soupmodel said:
I can't get over this bit, can't share a 20 second video on here as it's too large for tattle but here's the stills:

P: "I mean, obviously when you make such an emphatic denial of the central point of the story, your basically accusing both him but also Netflix of lying about it."

F: "I am."

P: "And that's, that's pretty defamatory."

F: "It's not defamatory if it's true."

P: "No, no, it's defamatory that they've been to you!"

F: "Oh I'm sorry, yes. I misunderstood there. Yes, exactly... Exactly."
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I think that's a reasonable misunderstanding? She thought he was saying she was potentially being defamatory against Netflix and Gadd by calling them liars.
 
MissNarcissus said:
Yes, you can leave after three years with an ordinary degree which is unclassified which is what Fiona has done. It’s not uncommon but is usually done if the student is unlikely to achieve a 2:1 so could be taken as an indication of not having done particularly well.
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So much for all the shite she spouted about being top of the class etc!
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Square Peg said:
I wonder where exactly she is getting these death threats from, I’ve not seen anything online, and I’m pretty good at finding stuff. It can only be in her dm’s, if she wasn’t so attention seeking she could just simply turn messaging off.
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I doubt she’s even getting death threats if there’s not the option to message her! I’d take everything she says with a very large piece of salt!
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Could she have been medicated whilst doing that interview? She seemed quite calm and lucid, compare to her usual ranking self!
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welp said:
btw it's insane how well Jessica Gunning nailed her role without having any reference except of Gadd's words. She has to sweep award season.
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I reckon she’d heard the tapes of her voice
 
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supers0nic said:
I'd be really interested to know if the SA that took place in BR by Martha really happened or if it was to show a visual representation on how she made him feel like the intrusion, shame, loss of control etc. I do think if she never assaulted him though then it's very strange to include it.
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I thought it was clear that it was a representation that he had lost control, likewise where he imagined he slept with her
 
lalalandx21 said:
I thought it was clear that it was a representation that he had lost control, likewise where he imagined he slept with her
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I don’t think it was. Similarly with the prison thing - clearly Piers Morgan thought it was true when he was asking FH about it but others have said it was just to wrap up the show.

I think this is where FH might have a case tbh. If Netflix said it was a true story but she didn’t SA him and it’s unclear enough that it was a representation that most of the discourse online is treating it as true then that is surely defamation.
 
Lovestolurk said:
I think that's a reasonable misunderstanding? She thought he was saying she was potentially being defamatory against Netflix and Gadd by calling them liars.
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I felt like it was a straight up defense mechanism of like "Nothing I have said could be defamatory!" But oh, it's fine if you are on my side.


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Maiyo2020 said:


More at 8 tonight.
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When will she accuse Piers and his team for milking it for all it's worth?
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lalalandx21 said:
I thought it was clear that it was a representation that he had lost control, likewise where he imagined he slept with her
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I thought it was possible it could be a representation but I don't think it's clear that it was definitely just a representation as to how he was feeling especially when the story is about how much he was harassed and attacked, being SA is possible in that situation and many people have believed that to be true.
 
supers0nic said:
I'm sure I read that he got a restraining order against her, I could be wrong
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That’s what I understood! So that’s 2 people who have got restraining orders against her now!
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doodlebug said:
“Based on a true story” and “this is a true story” are not quite the same. BR stated the latter whereas if merely based on a true story, you could expect there to be more dramatic licence. Like you say, it’s not a documentary so did not need to be 100% the truth. But there is a slight nuance there. I think the reason Martha went to prison in the show was for resolution purposes and to tie it up - otherwise there would be the question left of how Donny can move on with his life.

I got the impression from watching it that the canal grope was dramatised - to link to his earlier SA. I also thought the attack on Teri didn’t happen in real life either - but who’s to say. FH seemed quite adamant those things didn’t happen, whereas not an outright denial on the emails, letters etc.

I know a lot of people don’t like RG but I’m happy he’s managed to turn his pain to art; it’s a beautiful thing. It doesn’t really bother me whether he’s fame hungry or not - least he’s got what he’s always wanted and can see some good/purpose in what he went through.
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Didn’t she get sentenced to prison in BR but he didn’t want that so she got a restraining order. I can’t even remember now. I’m starting to confuse BR with real life 😂
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Netflix are actually sharing the PM interview for more publicity for BR. They blatantly aren’t worried and I believe they have proof that she did indeed stalk him and send those messages!
 
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troutpout69 said:
That’s what I understood! So that’s 2 people who have got restraining orders against her now!
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Didn’t she get sentenced to prison in BR but he didn’t want that so she got a restraining order. I can’t even remember now. I’m starting to confuse BR with real life 😂
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Netflix are actually sharing the PM interview for more publicity for BR. They blatantly aren’t worried and I believe they have proof that she did indeed stalk him and send those messages!
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They have already came out and said that all emails in the show where exact representations of emails richard gadd recieved. She has outed herself as martha so its her thats sent them. She has no case against netflix. Its also "based" on a true story so not all elements need to be true.
 
greycloud said:
They have already came out and said that all emails in the show where exact representations of emails richard gadd recieved. She has outed herself as martha so its her thats sent them. She has no case against netflix. Its also "based" on a true story so not all elements need to be true.
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As has been said numerous times on this thread, the wording at the beginning of the show is "This is a true story", NOT "based on".
 
NitrousOxide said:
As has been said numerous times on this thread, the wording at the beginning of the show is "This is a true story", NOT "based on".
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Yeah you are right they do say that but richard gadd himself has said "the skeleton of the story is true" what I took from the piers interview was that the bits she denies the most strongly are 1. She didnt sexually assault him. 2. She didnt attack teri and 3. She didnt go to prison. I believe her thar these things didnt happen for the rest I have her as guilty.
 
greycloud said:
Yeah you are right they do say that but richard gadd himself has said "the skeleton of the story is true" what I took from the piers interview was that the bits she denies the most strongly are 1. She didnt sexually assault him. 2. She didnt attack teri and 3. She didnt go to prison. I believe her thar these things didnt happen for the rest I have her as guilty.
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And if Netflix haven’t made it clear enough that 1, 2 and 3 aren’t true then she has a case against Netflix. Certainly the PM interview at least shows clearly he believes the prison bit is true as he asked her whether she’d been to prison for it and the general reaction to her and on X is clear a significant amount of people believe all 3.
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
And if Netflix haven’t made it clear enough that 1, 2 and 3 aren’t true then she has a case against Netflix. Certainly the PM interview at least shows clearly he believes the prison bit is true as he asked her whether she’d been to prison for it and the general reaction to her and on X is clear a significant amount of people believe all 3.
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I would be surprised if netflix didnt have proof of all 3 its risky for them but also is she really a threat? I dunno why I believe her on those 3 points but I do plus the fact RG has said she didnt go to prison for stalking him.
 
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