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Mykuf said:
What’s your unpopular opinion?
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I explained it in my comment? I'm basically on the fence about the whole case and have doubts about whether any of it was even real. They had huge money problems and were fame hungry (Shannan anyway) so I can see this sort of thing being strewed for a bit of drama. Please nobody come for me though, I live in NZ so obviously very far away from the States hence I can only go by what I see in the media. Or more like what the media decides to show me? This is why I don't really have a strong desire to look into it more or believe it wholeheartedly. I do have my own reasons for believing its real, how can you fake family grief/pictures and grave sites etc etc but the fact that everything was filmed from christmas holidays to something small like the family watching tv/eating dinner makes it the more eerie and movie-like. I have no idea what to believe and will probably remain that way. I still think of Shannan though from time to time and her girls and little boy who never made it into the world. I hope they have all found the peace they deserve.
 
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HairyBerries said:
I explained it in my comment? I'm basically on the fence about the whole case and have doubts about whether any of it was even real. They had huge money problems and were fame hungry (Shannan anyway) so I can see this sort of thing being strewed for a bit of drama. Please nobody come for me though, I live in NZ so obviously very far away from the States hence I can only go by what I see in the media. Or more like what the media decides to show me? This is why I don't really have a strong desire to look into it more or believe it wholeheartedly. I do have my own reasons for believing its real, how can you fake family grief/pictures and grave sites etc etc but the fact that everything was filmed from christmas holidays to something small like the family watching tv/eating dinner makes it the more eerie and movie-like. I have no idea what to believe and will probably remain that way. I still think of Shannan though from time to time and her girls and little boy who never made it into the world. I hope they have all found the peace they deserve.
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sorry, I didn’t realise you literally thought the case wasn’t real otherwise I wouldn’t have asked. That’s tin foil hat territory 🤣

But then you later say you do think it’s real?

I think it’s totally illogical to think it’s not a real case. I’m not sure what the police? The media?would have to gain from making up a case like this? Never mind how long it would have taken to cultivate a social media following like Shan’ann’s. Or what has happened to the (presumed) actors of Shan’ann and the kids?

anyway, you said you don’t want anyone to come for you so I’ll leave it there.
 
Mykuf said:
sorry, I didn’t realise you literally thought the case wasn’t real otherwise I wouldn’t have asked. That’s tin foil hat territory 🤣

But then you later say you do think it’s real?

I think it’s totally illogical to think it’s not a real case. I’m not sure what the police? The media?would have to gain from making up a case like this? Never mind how long it would have taken to cultivate a social media following like Shan’ann’s. Or what has happened to the (presumed) actors of Shan’ann and the kids?

anyway, you said you don’t want anyone to come for you so I’ll leave it there.
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I'm just on the fence about it. It could be a psychological study regarding people and public's emotions or whatever. Anyway, I think its interesting to think about from all angles.
 
HairyBerries said:
I honestly don't know what to think. I guess I've always been a skeptic. I have a very unpopular opinion about this case that I'm sure many won't share. This whole event feels very staged from beginning to end like watching someone's nightmare or a suspense movie. Then there's all these videos still out there up until the m'fkin INTERROGATION with no record of a Chris Watts in a prison cell somewhere. The arresting officer is called detective CODER?! Lmao. Maybe its just me but if there's one case which blurs the line between fiction/reality to this magnitude its probably this one.
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What do you mean no record of him in a prison cell?

HairyBerries said:
I'm just on the fence about it. It could be a psychological study regarding people and public's emotions or whatever. Anyway, I think its interesting to think about from all angles.
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Lol absolutely no chance. Psychological studies have to go through rigorous ethics committees etc. have you seen the documentary about the triplets that were separated at birth as an experiment and they didn’t tell the parents or the kids? There was total uproar at that and one of the triplets even took his own life as a result.
 
Some people have tried to search for a Chris Watts in the prison database for his prisoner number but nothing showed up. This was the case even when he transferred prisons apparently.

There are many other similar cases to this but it also makes me wonder why certain cases like this sticks out more or stays with people for a long time.

I have never heard of the triplet experiment but I will look into it.
 
HairyBerries said:
I honestly don't know what to think. I guess I've always been a skeptic. I have a very unpopular opinion about this case that I'm sure many won't share. This whole event feels very staged from beginning to end like watching someone's nightmare or a suspense movie. Then there's all these videos still out there up until the m'fkin INTERROGATION with no record of a Chris Watts in a prison cell somewhere. The arresting officer is called detective CODER?! Lmao. Maybe its just me but if there's one case which blurs the line between fiction/reality to this magnitude its probably this one.
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It is very easy to look up the prison Chris Whatts is in, multiple sources on the internet list it.
“just after he was sentenced, Watts was moved to the Waupun Correctional Institution in Wisconsin for “security concerns”. Watts was originally imprisoned in Weld County Jail in Colorado but now, Chris Watts is on heavy lockdown in the Dodge Correctional Institution, a Waupun Wisconsin prison”

So it seems like your entire conspiracy on the case not being real is based on the detective’s name being Coder?
Is there another reason? I just really curious, I’ve never heard someone have that take. Am I missing something? I'm just so confused about the leap to it not being real!
I definitely think there is some weight to the theory that the GF might have had some involvement, Chris never revealed how he got the drug for the miscarriage even though he gave details on everything else, but I'm not sure about it being staged.
 
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hnoz said:
It is very easy to look up the prison Chris Whatts is in, multiple sources on the internet list it.
“just after he was sentenced, Watts was moved to the Waupun Correctional Institution in Wisconsin for “security concerns”. Watts was originally imprisoned in Weld County Jail in Colorado but now, Chris Watts is on heavy lockdown in the Dodge Correctional Institution, a Waupun Wisconsin prison”

So it seems like your entire conspiracy on the case not being real is based on the detective’s name being Coder?
Is there another reason? I just really curious, I’ve never heard someone have that take.
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Yeah but they've tried to look up his specific number to no avail. That could be just to protect his identity I guess due to the nature of the case.

No its actually just based on the social media archive created by Shan'ann. I've never come across anyone who documented their lives to the extent she did. Not even anyone in an MLM tbh. They all just make videos where the only topic is recruitment. I believe there's another Shan'ann Watts living in the Colorado area ? A lot of conspiracy theorists believe that the Shan'ann who died was inspired by the actual Shan'ann & her life. Its quite confusing and a giant rabbit hole but an interesting read if you ever find it and are curious to delve more into this ridiculous/crazy side.
 
Compostella said:
Hello everyone,
I got a lot of information about why he did it from the Live Abuse Free YT channel, there is a whole playlist on there, and my own research into narcissism. Chris is a huge narcissist and he killed her to preserve his "perfect image". It is always better to be perceived as a poor widower rather than someone who wanted to leave his pregnant wife and 2 small kids for a mistress. He didn't want the kids because they started to develop their own personalities and did not consider him to be the "God" he felt he was. He didn't bother to develop a relationship with them and was surprised why they preferred their mother's company. He was jealous!
I really don't like how they portrayed Shannan in the Netflix documentary. What I find interesting is that Shannan was in an abusive relationship before Chris, so she was probably more vocal about what she did and didn't like. I think Chris was passive and didn't talk to her about important stuff, that is why she might have seemed to look controlling, but honestly I would be as well. She went away for a few weeks and he stopped communicating, just like that. She would have been just fine if he had told her he wanted a divorce. It would have not been easy financially and stuff but she would have figured it out!!! It was the fact that he didn't bother explaining anything and he kept telling her he loved her and ignoring her, but she KNEW something was wrong, and kept and kept on asking. She wanted to accommodate his needs till the end, like she was writing to someone that she wants to change for Chris because he could have been hurt by some of her behavior. What really frustrates me is how for example on IMDB, the reviewers keep saying how he couldn't handle her being controlling, etc., AS IF HE COULD NOT HAVE TOLD HER THAT in a normal adult conversation. But he wasn't able to handle one! Wasn't able to take the least tiny little bit of criticism and went straight into the narcissistic rage.

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Listened to all of this...very interesting. Thanks for posting.
 
HairyBerries said:
Yeah but they've tried to look up his specific number to no avail. That could be just to protect his identity I guess due to the nature of the case.

No its actually just based on the social media archive created by Shan'ann. I've never come across anyone who documented their lives to the extent she did. Not even anyone in an MLM tbh. They all just make videos where the only topic is recruitment. I believe there's another Shan'ann Watts living in the Colorado area ? A lot of conspiracy theorists believe that the Shan'ann who died was inspired by the actual Shan'ann & her life. Its quite confusing and a giant rabbit hole but an interesting read if you ever find it and are curious to delve more into this ridiculous/crazy side.
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Can you look up any prisoner's number? That strikes me a something that probably shouldn't be freely available for anyone to access.

Shann'ann was in an MLM, part of that facade is the lifestyle that goes along with it in order to recruit other members to sell the product. You need them to buy into the dream so she posted everything on her public facebook page. The documentary didn't enough imo and people are left wondering why or how there was so much footage.
Think of a vlogger on youtube now, there are tons of family channels with videos documenting everything, Shann'ann's facebook was basically an early version of that!
 
I’ve seen her name spelled shan’ann a few times on this thread - where does that come from? I’m just wondering if there is also inaccuracies if it’s spelled on the film as ‘Shannan’.

I don’t think being unable to accesshis prisoner number means the case isn’t real - my understanding is that a prisoner number is not for public knowledge!
 
Pawpaw365 said:
I’ve seen her name spelled shan’ann a few times on this thread - where does that come from? I’m just wondering if there is also inaccuracies if it’s spelled on the film as ‘Shannan’.

I don’t think being unable to accesshis prisoner number means the case isn’t real - my understanding is that a prisoner number is not for public knowledge!
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You can actually get it quite easily online. For everyone here jumping to conclusions I'm not saying the case is not real, I just said I have some doubts. Shan'ann spelt her name that way since she was young to be cool and different. Her parents named her Shannon.
 
Pawpaw365 said:
I’ve seen her name spelled shan’ann a few times on this thread - where does that come from? I’m just wondering if there is also inaccuracies if it’s spelled on the film as ‘Shannan’.

I don’t think being unable to accesshis prisoner number means the case isn’t real - my understanding is that a prisoner number is not for public knowledge!
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Apparently she was the only person to pronounce her name Shan-nan, her family all called her Shannan, (to sort of rhyme with cannon)
 
I watched this a few evenings ago as ever since reading this it’s stayed with me. How emotionless he has been describing what happened. I can’t be bothered to find the article but I remember reading in a national news paper him describing her dead and that he was disgusted because her body had expelled the pregnancy. (It was more he was disgusted at her not himself) That really stuck with me. And stayed with me.
Regarding the controlling or annoying element we only saw what she put out there which is more than we see when someone is murdered. But I know with me in relationships I’ve had, when they guy is very placid or easy going, you do tend to take over perhaps too much sometimes but I think it’s a natural human reaction.
The victim blaming the news touched on at the end of the show really made me feel ill. I assume because he doesn’t really fit the bill for what a murderer should look like. I’ve heard he’s received many love letters from the public too.
 
I followed this case when it all first happend and this is a one horrible man and he always would have been, he just hid it for a long time.

What he did, there is no excuse for it. His mum is no different, she hated Shannen and I dont think she cared much for the little girls at all. Why give her something she is allergic to?

Its sad that Shannans family had to go to the media to have people stop victim shaming his family. Im sure a lot of the people that it that online are women who think that piece of tit is hot and would want to be his groupie.

Every time the showed photos of those beautiful little girls I almost had to look away because it was so hard seeing them and knowing what had happend to them. Seeing Shannans dad was heartbreaking.

People always want to know why and understand and give a reason for why someone could do something like that and thats because most people are good people and cant fathom why someone would do something so horrible so we try and understand.

Like her dad said, Shannen was strong and she would put up a fight so I believed she was a sleep when he murdered her. As for her daughters, I really dont know. The end did say that almost always these cases it was premeditated.
 
OutrageouslyScarlet said:
I remember reading in a national news paper him describing her dead and that he was disgusted because her body had expelled the pregnancy. (It was more he was disgusted at her not himself)
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Given how and why coffin birth takes place, although this had occurred when they exhumed her, I find it very, very hard to believe it happened when he still had her, before she had time to decompose. I reckon this is him, knowing those details were out there, trying to capitalise on it and gain attention by being gruesome. He really is a vile, Vile man with no remorse.
 
littlepup said:
Given how and why coffin birth takes place, although this had occurred when they exhumed her, I find it very, very hard to believe it happened when he still had her, before she had time to decompose. I reckon this is him, knowing those details were out there, trying to capitalise on it and gain attention by being gruesome. He really is a vile, Vile man with no remorse.
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That’s why I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth about what happened that night. He’s a pathological liar and clearly mentally disturbed. The fact that he’s tried to sensationalise this already horrific story tells you all you need to know about what a vile creature he is.
 
littlepup said:
Given how and why coffin birth takes place, although this had occurred when they exhumed her, I find it very, very hard to believe it happened when he still had her, before she had time to decompose. I reckon this is him, knowing those details were out there, trying to capitalise on it and gain attention by being gruesome. He really is a vile, Vile man with no remorse.
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It’s not something I have much knowledge in. I just remember reading it and my stomach turning. Hopefully you are right and it’s a big for attention.
 
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