Tui
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Yeah and on the girls too.
American Murder: The Family Next Door - Netflix
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Mustard
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that wouldn’t be surprising as it’s a reason many people in the US do go bankrupt.
Tui
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Indeed. I know some people criticise Shanann for being bossy or domineering but maybe she had to be given her husband seems to have taken zero interest in the running of the house.
The sex 3x a day has blown my mind to be honest! Also, how easily people in the States can fall in to so much medical debt is just so unfair and crazy to me. She earned almost $70k dollars a year, and I'm guessing his job was well paid too, plus health insurance, and yet still so many medical bills. I just cannot understand that system.
True, and it's approximately $10k per baby to give birth in the hospital! Insanity.
littlepup
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I can't see what he earned anywhere or what was left to pay on the mortgage - or haven't gotten to that bit yet but they paid over $500/wk or $25k/ year to the kids school so just the mortgage, kids school and medical insurance her salary was pretty much done. Still, they must have been pretty big spenders you'd think
So some were taken out through work which I will say, my old company gave us all life insurance which I think covered family, kids/dependants for certain and you didn't ask for it, I didn't even know the details.
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lalalanded
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As soon as you see the borderline psychopathic behaviour of his parents it almost explains the person he is and how he went on to be able to do what he did.
A few things that jumped out - they never accepted Shannan and didn't go to the wedding. They apparently didn't think Shannan was good enough for their precious son (laughable, I mean look at him). Those aren't necessarily red flags as these things happen all the time . BUT, the grandmother risked her granddaughter's health and her and Shannan fell out about it (understandably!). That makes no sense to me - it's a baby and you're being cavalier about her health??
Secondly, the interview in the police station where he asks for his Dad. He lies and tells his dad that Shannan killed the girls and not one flicker on that man's face when he's just heard his grandchildren have been murdered. WTF?!? I honestly believe that if covering for his pos son was an option he would have.
Then there was the spectacle in court which was unforgiveable with the mother wailing about forgiving him (who cares??) and quoting the bible. There are comments on youtube saying that they abused their position as relatives of their granddaughters to make a victim impact statement and rather than do that they made spectacles of themselves. Vile, disgusting people. I don't know how her family managed to sit through that.
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hnoz
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To be honest I'm not getting the no emotion/ no reaction thing that some of you are picking up from his dad. I thought his dad seemed like a broken man in the interview room, his head was in his hands and to me it seemed like he just couldn't believe what was happening and in total shock.
littlepup
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Page 538/9 just show you what kind of a person the Father was in the interview. He and his wife believe Shannan was 'unstable, narcissist, bipolar' - 'We'll get you a good Lawyer Son, it was a crime of passion, you weren't to blame' kind of bullshit. In fairness he believed what his Son was saying in that she'd killed the kids and perhaps his brain couldn't even process that his son could have done it but still, they clearly hugely disliked Shannan and never gave that attitude up.
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hnoz
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I dunno, I don't think that really backs up the dad being a total sociopath and having no reaction or emotions in the interview room. The conversation in the text is when Chris admits to killing shannan but says it is because she killed the girls. While the dad says Chris's mom thought Shannan was bipolar he also says he never would have believed she could do something like kill her daughters.
I don't think his comments in your link really make him a vile or disgusting person, his son tells him he killed his wife because he caught her killing their daughters. In the heat of the moment I'm not sure most people would doubt their son, talking about getting him a lawyer seems like a perfectly normal response to me.
I do think Shannan had a terrible relationship with the inlaws, and the MIL was mostly to blame and sounds insane. The dad seemed pretty weak and under the thumb of MIL but I didn't think he acted particularly out of the ordinary in the interview, given the circumstances.
littlepup
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No I don't think it backs that up either. I do think they were vile people but not due to that link. In saying the link shows the kind of man he was I meant more that he already thought Shannan was unstable etc so would have been more prepared too accept it, his brain wouldn't have gone to doubting his son when he has a believable suspect in Shannan. The reason 'I call the It was a crime of passion, well get you a good lawyer' bullshit is because this was his first thought before asking what ultimately happened to the kids. His priority was mitigating Chris's guilt. So that's how i mean it shows what kind of person he was, not agreeing he was mad or emotionless.
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lalalanded
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Also wanted to mention (I have so much to say 
) the sterling work of the police detectives. You could see what they were doing and the tactics they were using and they worked like a charm. As previously mentioned, he was thick as a plank and started out with 'I have no idea where they are, I'm not having an affair, I have nothing to do with this' when they were asking direct questions. I noticed one would leave the room and the other would try. You could see him and them bluffing each other. The footage is so fascinating because you can see him getting more and more nervous just by his body language and you know they can see it too. Their genius stroke was when they made out they were on his side, stroking his back etc and almost bad mouthing Shannan. The idiot walked straight into it. And they even planted the story of Shannan killing the girls in his head. Honestly, most psychopaths are clever and cunning but not this doofus. The woman detective was interviewed and is clearly carrying the scars of the case. She really hates him and she said they knew all along he was a liar.
) the sterling work of the police detectives. You could see what they were doing and the tactics they were using and they worked like a charm. As previously mentioned, he was thick as a plank and started out with 'I have no idea where they are, I'm not having an affair, I have nothing to do with this' when they were asking direct questions. I noticed one would leave the room and the other would try. You could see him and them bluffing each other. The footage is so fascinating because you can see him getting more and more nervous just by his body language and you know they can see it too. Their genius stroke was when they made out they were on his side, stroking his back etc and almost bad mouthing Shannan. The idiot walked straight into it. And they even planted the story of Shannan killing the girls in his head. Honestly, most psychopaths are clever and cunning but not this doofus. The woman detective was interviewed and is clearly carrying the scars of the case. She really hates him and she said they knew all along he was a liar.
Enid Swamp
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Real life is not a soap opera. The fathers response seemed true to me. Not a sociopath.
Freedomofspeech89
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Yeah to me he just seemed in complete shock. He obviously knew something bad was coming as his son had been in questioning for hours, but I don’t think he could ever have imagined what chris was going to say.
Snookie
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I watched the documentary last week and I have thought about those babies and Shannan so much. My heart breaks for them and Shannans family. I genuinely didn't know anything about the case or who they were prior to watching and up until he admitted to killing them i thought poor Bella and Cece were alive. I had an idea maybe he killed Shannan but I honestly was gobsmacked beyond belief about those poor little girls. I have a daughter who is nearly 4yo and my heart sunk and still can't get them out my head. How could he do something so horrifying. His family seem like such nut jobs. Saying they forgive him?! Sorry but that monster they brought up deserves to rot!
Also read parts of the police file which was posted earlier in the week. I hope everyone who worked on the case got the support they needed as what unfolded was unimaginable
Also read parts of the police file which was posted earlier in the week. I hope everyone who worked on the case got the support they needed as what unfolded was unimaginable
Freedomofspeech89
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I watched the documentary last week and I have thought about those babies and Shannan so much. My heart breaks for them and Shannans family. I genuinely didn't know anything about the case or who they were prior to watching and up until he admitted to killing them i thought poor Bella and Cece were alive. I had an idea maybe he killed Shannan but I honestly was gobsmacked beyond belief about those poor little girls. I have a daughter who is nearly 4yo and my heart sunk and still can't get them out my head. How could he do something so horrifying. His family seem like such nut jobs. Saying they forgive him?! Sorry but that monster they brought up deserves to rot!
Also read parts of the police file which was posted earlier in the week. I hope everyone who worked on the case got the support they needed as what unfolded was unimaginable
Yeah I’m the same. I’ve got a 3.5 year old daughter and it’s made me feel so upset. Haven’t slept well since just thinking of those poor girls. Really wish I hadn’t watched it now.